how would you uphold law and order?

[imamartian]

So treat everyone like a criminal even though the vast majority dont commit crimes

Plod's first and only rule...

Of course they don't actually know anything about the rule of law themselves

that's rubbish. We're all obviously innocent until proven guilty. But how do you prove guilt without asking questions or aiming accusations?

for me, i think we are oblivious to most crime, yet the coppers see the scum who commit most of it, and know who they and their mates are... and see them get off in court due to a bad lawyer... yet it's obvious they did the crime...

It's not about proving guilt, it's more about the battle between the defence and the prosecution, both of whom are on a small fortune, so they don't care.... it all stinks.!!

 

[thatbloke]

You should watch the vid I posted in the other thread , it will show you how you can be guilty until proven innocent, if they let you prove your innocence.
Or you could look up internment , CIA torture planes or the Birmingham six, it took them 16 years of prison time to prove their innocence.

 

[imamartian]

You should watch the vid I posted in the other thread , it will show you how you can be guilty until proven innocent, if they let you prove your innocence.
Or you could look up internment , CIA torture planes or the Birmingham six, it took them 16 years of prison time to prove their innocence.

you're obviously challenging what you perceive to be wrongdoings.... there are many of those! my question to you is to offer me an alternative law enforcement unit !! and explain how it will work

 

[Norcon]

I've asked some on here who they'd call if their house was burgled or they were attacked in the street. No responses received yet.

I'd call the fire brigade.

 

[ellal]

So treat everyone like a criminal even though the vast majority dont commit crimes

Plod's first and only rule...

Of course they don't actually know anything about the rule of law themselves

that's rubbish. We're all obviously innocent until proven guilty. But how do you prove guilt without asking questions or aiming accusations?

for me, i think we are oblivious to most crime, yet the coppers see the scum who commit most of it, and know who they and their mates are... and see them get off in court due to a bad lawyer... yet it's obvious they did the crime...

It's not about proving guilt, it's more about the battle between the defence and the prosecution, both of whom are on a small fortune, so they don't care.... it all stinks.!!

As ever your ignorance is out there for all to see...

If we're innocent until proven guilty, and when it is taken, why is our DNA retained even if we are not charged with anything?

If we are driving perfectly legally, why are details of our journeys stored for years?

If we are going about our lawful business, why are images of us captured and retained?

Plod doesn't actually know about the law that they swear to uphold - common law. They try and enforce un-contracted statutes for commercial reasons!

I note that you scolded posters on not giving you an alternative, but you have completely ignored: "A return to policing based on common law as opposed to un-contracted commercial/maritime law.."

Why is that?

 

[Ricardus]

Short of a return to the kind of moral values where being a criminal carries a major social stigma, the only way to deter criminals and give the law abiding public a feeling of safety is to longer, harsher prison sentences and a lot more of them.
However nobody wants to spend the money building new prisons or keeping criminals inside them for longer, so what can you do?

Now if I ran the country, one thing I'd try is to institute passport control, and not allow certain types of offenders to leave the country for a certain amount of time after their sentance had been served.

Just imagine what would happen when proud parents of ASBO boy are told they arent getting on the plane for their two cheap weeks on the lash in Benidorm because their lad is still serving a 6 month asbo for throwing bricks through peoples windows. They might even ask him to behave himself.

 

[thatbloke]

You should watch the vid I posted in the other thread , it will show you how you can be guilty until proven innocent, if they let you prove your innocence.
Or you could look up internment , CIA torture planes or the Birmingham six, it took them 16 years of prison time to prove their innocence.

you're obviously challenging what you perceive to be wrongdoings.... there are many of those! my question to you is to offer me an alternative law enforcement unit !! and explain how it will work

We could all become freemen of the land. police ourselves.
simples.

 

[spacecat]

Zero tolerance to crime

GENUINE equal life chances for all

 

[thatbloke]

Zero tolerance to crime

GENUINE equal life chances for all

But thats the point , you might see something as a crime , I might see it as a part of my every day life.
I might see some laws as criminal, you might be happy to obay them.

There is nothing equal about everybody being told what to do by someone who might only make such a law for popularity or votes.

 

[spacecat]

The law is the law, if you don't like it lobby for change

 

[ellal]

The law is the law, if you don't like it lobby for change

Unfortunately the law is not the law!

Thus lobbying for a change is pointless, given that laws (or more accurately statutes) passed in parliament are worthless if you understand common law...

Hence a 'change' in a statute is equally worthless...

 

[thatbloke]

The law is the law, if you don't like it lobby for change

If I dont like it I simply break it.

 

[ellal]

The law is the law, if you don't like it lobby for change

If I dont like it I simply break it.

If you are willing to accept the possible consequences, then I salute that sentiment...

Of course most of the laws you think you are breaking don't actually exist!

 

[thatbloke]

Dont get me wrong, I do know right from wrong and wouldn't dream of doing anyone an injustice.

Did you know,

It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament.

It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside down.

Under the UK’s Tax Avoidance Schemes Regulations 2006, it is illegal not to tell the taxman anything you don’t want him to know, though you don’t have to tell him anything you don’t mind him knowing.

 

[imamartian]

As ever your ignorance is out there for all to see...

All the warmth has gone

If we're innocent until proven guilty, and when it is taken, why is our DNA retained even if we are not charged with anything?

because a huge database of samples gives them far more chances of finding a match in the future.. my personal stance is if they have mine that's not a problem as i won't be committing a heinous crime at any point in the future.

If we are driving perfectly legally, why are details of our journeys stored for years?

Because it could be used to build a picture of someone's activities which currently don't appear to be a criminal act. E.g. potential terrorists visiting a bomb making factory regularly.

If we are going about our lawful business, why are images of us captured and retained?

For many reasons..... let me turn this one round and ask why you don't want you images captured and saved? and why it's detramental to your life if you are on CCTV?

Plod doesn't actually know about the law that they swear to uphold - common law. They try and enforce un-contracted statutes for commercial reasons!

Partly agree with this, but you obviously dislike the police a lot and will say daft things like "Plod doesn't know about the law!!"

I note that you scolded posters on not giving you an alternative, but you have completely ignored: "A return to policing based on common law as opposed to un-contracted commercial/maritime law.."

Why is that?

I didn't scold anyone, i merely challenged people to come forward. And i don't have to respond to every comment on a thread. I expected a lot of suggestions from all these police haters... like yourself