how would you uphold law and order?

[thatbloke]

Police haters? bit harsh fella.

 

[imamartian]

Police haters? bit harsh fella.

what do you mean?

and for the record, i wasn't referring to you !! i was thinking of the sort who turn up late to legal demonstrations and then throw bricks, fire bombs and fire extinguishers (hmmm, on reflection that's perhaps a good thing ) at the police... or support that ind of moron on here!!

 

[joinerjohn]

So, we should return to common law?? SO under common law, what's the appropriate sentence for murder??

 

[ellal]

because a huge database of samples gives them far more chances of finding a match in the future.. my personal stance is if they have mine that's not a problem as i won't be committing a heinous crime at any point in the future.

Read that back to yourself VERY SLOWLY...!

"chances of finding a match in the future"...ergo, treated as if you are going to do something, so must be kept tabs on... Guilty until proved innocent - perpetually!

Because it could be used to build a picture of someone's activities which currently don't appear to be a criminal act. E.g. potential terrorists visiting a bomb making factory regularly.

ergo, treated as if you are going to do something, so must be kept tabs on... Guilty until proved innocent - perpetually!

and don't you just love it when someone who doesn't know what they are talking about whips out the 'terrorist' card...

let me turn this one round and ask why you don't want you images captured and saved? and why it's detramental to your life if you are on CCTV?

You obviously don't care about your privacy, and are happy to be tracked and catalogued - so no point in trying to point out the bl**dy obvious to you!

Mind you, I bet you'll just love this... Tracking you

Partly agree with this, but you obviously dislike the police a lot and will say daft things like "Plod doesn't know about the law!!"

It's what it says on the tin - plod doesn't know about the law!

I didn't scold anyone, i merely challenged people to come forward. And i don't have to respond to every comment on a thread. I expected a lot of suggestions from all these police haters... like yourself

You won't answer because you DON'T understand the differentiation! So why ask in the first place?

And I fail to see how pointing out that the police don't uphold common law equates to your assumption - but you carry on showing yourself up...

 

[ellal]

So, we should return to common law?? SO under common law, what's the appropriate sentence for murder??

We don't have to 'return to common law', we could just refuse to consent to commercial/maritime law...

And common law is supposed to be there to protect a person and their property, not protect the interests of corporate/government institutions!

Murder is actually a common law offence, the sentence for which has changed over the years - someone really should remind parliament though that they have never really defined the offence!

 

[ellal]

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[cumbriahandyman]

There seems to be a large number of people on here who seem to dislike, distrust, despise the police. So i just wondered what their preferred alternative method of managing crime would be?

Let the police do it. But they must be made to do it in a manner that is open, just, honest, transparent, fair and without bias.

But most of all; they must be reminded that they are public servants, not little gods.

Where there is need for an investigation into their suspected wrongdoing, the investigation should be independent. Police investigating police is NOT independent.

 

[thatbloke]

Unfortunately they are humans with views and opinions , so thats never likely to happen.

 

[imamartian]

- but you carry on showing yourself up...

If the police have your dna on file, then why does that make you guilty of anything? in reality, i would ask why (in most cases) have the police got your dna? they haven't got mine! statistically speaking, if they have your dna, doesn't that mean you have been arrested in the past?

so what about your birth cerificate?
census?
passport?
any website you enrol onto wants your details
any shopping you do you need to give your details
any bank account wants your details

what is wrong with giving a little to help prevent and solve crime?

 

[joinerjohn]

Absolutely nothing wrong with police keeping a DNA database. What do you think the police are going to do? Plant 20yr old DNA at a crime scene just to get a conviction?
Nothing wrong too with tracking technology. Innocents have nothing to fear from it. The only people who would fear any of the above two things are those that have something to hide.
How many of us drive company vehicles with tracking technology in them? Is that a bad thing? The transport supervisor wants to know where someone is during working hours perhaps. Helps him manage workloads etc. Or is he spying on employees? Make your own mind up.

 

[imamartian]

Absolutely nothing wrong with police keeping a DNA database. What do you think the police are going to do? Plant 20yr old DNA at a crime scene just to get a conviction?
Nothing wrong too with tracking technology. Innocents have nothing to fear from it. The only people who would fear any of the above two things are those that have something to hide.
How many of us drive company vehicles with tracking technology in them? Is that a bad thing? The transport supervisor wants to know where someone is during working hours perhaps. Helps him manage workloads etc. Or is he spying on employees? Make your own mind up.

this is why i started this thread... all these people who moan about the police, and cctv and dna, don't have any alternatives.... Their lives (if law abiding) would be no different whether there was a DNA database or not...although realising what i just put... their lives would be better because more scum would be locked up !!!

 

[ellal]

If the police have your dna on file, then why does that make you guilty of anything? in reality, i would ask why (in most cases) have the police got your dna? they haven't got mine! statistically speaking, if they have your dna, doesn't that mean you have been arrested in the past?

There you go again...why do the police need to keep your dna if you are innocent? does being arrested and yet not charged means you are guilty of something you might do in the future?

what is wrong with giving a little to help prevent and solve crime?

So if you have nothing to hide, why havn't you volunteered your DNA? - mind you, I suppose it might be confused with that of a dung beetle!

so what about your birth cerificate?
census?
passport?
any website you enrol onto wants your details
any shopping you do you need to give your details
any bank account wants your details

Here's where your stupidity really shows up - All of the above are voluntary, as opposed to being compulsorarily taken!...

(and if you don't believe the first two are voluntary, you don't understand common law!)

 

[ellal]

Absolutely nothing wrong with police keeping a DNA database. What do you think the police are going to do? Plant 20yr old DNA at a crime scene just to get a conviction?

You are showing the classic error of one who doesn't understand the difference between the DNA database and DNA detection...

You also should look up about DNA contamination and cases where DNA has been planted by people other than the police - not that they aren't beyond dodgy practices..

Nothing wrong too with tracking technology. Innocents have nothing to fear from it. The only people who would fear any of the above two things are those that have something to hide.

Really?

police officers 'mark' cars

And these were people who had done nothing wrong, and had 'nothing to hide'...And just one example of many.

How many of us drive company vehicles with tracking technology in them? Is that a bad thing? The transport supervisor wants to know where someone is during working hours perhaps. Helps him manage workloads etc. Or is he spying on employees? Make your own mind up.

Your choice whether to do that job...

You see, there is that word again - Choice!

Can you tell me if there has been any legislation approving the setup of the anpr network?

I'll help you out there - there isn't any...No debate, just a policy championed by a publicly funded private company - ACPO !

Since martian ignored this (because it doesn't suit him), what do you think of this? Do you agree with it?...

Tracking You

 

[Space cat]

How many of us drive company vehicles with tracking technology in them?

A company (who shall remain nameless) that does a lot of work for us puts tracking devices in its engineers' company cars. Mostly they just accept this but one didn't. I came across him one day running off an abnormally big dose on an accelerator.

"Looking for an intermittent fault?"

"No, just cooking my tomtom."

"Why?"

"Because I don't like ******* knowing where I am all the time."

He had the thing pushed right into the collimator and must have given it enough radiation to kill over a hundred patients. It certainly killed the tomtom which refused to switch on. He walked off clutching it, oblivious to the possibility of induced radioactivity. I hope for his sake that there aren't any cobalt magnets in a tomtom.

Of course all they did was give him a new one. We haven't seen him around for a while now. I don't think he works for them any more ---

 

[spacecat]

DNA DATABASE

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