Is a peoples vote likely?

[Mottie]

Isn't the UK hiring a 1000 border control officers in preparation for a no deal scenario, suspicion is that the government has made preparations for a no deal but they don't advertise it because they want to use prospect of a chaotic no deal brexit to frighten the public and parliament into supporting TMs deal.

They might be using it to nudge the EU27 into offering a better deal.....

 

[ellal]

Only by you

Nope, it's a phrase used jokingly by some locals...
It's being trialled in the event of a no-deal, and during a transition period to 'third country' status.
(No-one as yet knows exactly what visa requirements/stay period will be in the event of a no-deal)

Can they do that, unilaterally?

Of course...

Asfaik so far Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, EEA countries not in the EU (Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein) have unilaterally offered bi-lateral citizen agreements.
(Don't forget the EU/EEA as a whole did it long ago, but the UK doesn't want freedom of movement even for existing residents!)
These don't of course offer the exact same things as UK citizens currently hold (such as stated the freedom of movement between EU/EEA states) but guarantees someone who has made a life abroad can stay.
Of course there are still unknowns, such as how long you are allowed to be outside the country you have the right to remain in before you lose that right.
Other current rights such as healthcare, pensions etc are in most of those offers but subject to EU/EEA rules given a no-deal scenario.

Also asfaik, the UK has said it would welcome such deals, but won't sign because the UK will not give firm commitments as to who will be eligible to stay in the UK in a no-deal scenario beyond certain guarantees for those in the UK for over 5 years. (cut off dates, period of residency, proof of residency etc)
Hence the impasse for what is being termed 'administrative arrangements' to be agreed.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Why is there so much hate for the EU? Some people have note moved on and are still swayed by tired old arguments of the past.

For at least three decades, “Europe” served as the all-purpose bogeyman of British politics. Cheered on by a Europe‑loathing press, itself fuelled by an endless flow of straight banana-type lies, many of them concocted by a Telegraph correspondent in Brussels by the name of Boris Johnson, politicians of all stripes found it convenient to blame Brussels for any and all ills.

How easy it was for British politicians to say they’d love to act on this or that issue, but their hands were tied by those villains in the EU. Every summit was a “showdown” pitting plucky Britain against the wicked continentals.

Both of the main political parties played this game.

The Suez fiasco of 1956 was meant to have cured Britain of its imperial delusion, but what’s clear now is that many Britons never quite made that adjustment. Underpinning Brexit, with its belief that Britain should separate itself from its closest neighbours, is a refusal to accept that we are one part of an interdependent European economy. For the Brexiteers, Britain remains a global Gulliver tied down for too long by the Lilliputians of Little Europe. It is a fundamental misreading of our place in the world.

Perhaps, though, the seeds of the vote were planted in the rubble of Britain’s wartime experience. Never occupied, many Britons never understood the intense need for the EU as continental Europeans feel it. In 1984, at a ceremony to honour the fallen of Verdun, François Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl held hands, in a powerful gesture of Franco-German reconciliation. According to her biographer, Margaret Thatcher was unmoved, instead mocking the sight of two grown men holding hands.

This has been Britain’s European story, repeatedly seeing what was a project of peace, designed to end centuries of bloodshed, as a scam designed to swindle the Brits of their money.

 

[durhamplumber]

He is beyond it.

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See what I mean?

No

 

[durhamplumber]

For at least three decades, “Europe” served as the all-purpose bogeyman of British politics. Cheered on by a Europe‑loathing press, itself fuelled by an endless flow of straight banana-type lies, many of them concocted by a Telegraph correspondent in Brussels by the name of Boris Johnson, politicians of all stripes found it convenient to blame Brussels for any and all ills.

How easy it was for British politicians to say they’d love to act on this or that issue, but their hands were tied by those villains in the EU. Every summit was a “showdown” pitting plucky Britain against the wicked continentals.

Both of the main political parties played this game.

The Suez fiasco of 1956 was meant to have cured Britain of its imperial delusion, but what’s clear now is that many Britons never quite made that adjustment. Underpinning Brexit, with its belief that Britain should separate itself from its closest neighbours, is a refusal to accept that we are one part of an interdependent European economy. For the Brexiteers, Britain remains a global Gulliver tied down for too long by the Lilliputians of Little Europe. It is a fundamental misreading of our place in the world.

Perhaps, though, the seeds of the vote were planted in the rubble of Britain’s wartime experience. Never occupied, many Britons never understood the intense need for the EU as continental Europeans feel it. In 1984, at a ceremony to honour the fallen of Verdun, François Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl held hands, in a powerful gesture of Franco-German reconciliation. According to her biographer, Margaret Thatcher was unmoved, instead mocking the sight of two grown men holding hands.

This has been Britain’s European story, repeatedly seeing what was a project of peace, designed to end centuries of bloodshed, as a scam designed to swindle the Brits of their money.

You need a shrink

 

[durhamplumber]

They won't. Their intentions have been clear since the outset.

Cannot possibly change their mind then!!..ever

 

[Mottie]

Hasn't Germany tried to 'unite' Europe a couple of times in the past? When will people learn.....

 

[EFLImpudence]

So - it can never get better, then?

Brexit, then, because of the Normans - oh wait, they're still here (there in Britain).

 

[durhamplumber]

Hasn't Germany tried to 'unite' Europe a couple of times in the past? When will people learn.....

Rofl,,,top line,,,

 

[durhamplumber]

Nope, it's a phrase used jokingly by some locals...
It's being trialled in the event of a no-deal, and during a transition period to 'third country' status.
(No-one as yet knows exactly what visa requirements/stay period will be in the event of a no-deal)


Of course...

Asfaik so far Germany, France, Italy, Netherlands, EEA countries not in the EU (Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein) have unilaterally offered bi-lateral citizen agreements.
(Don't forget the EU/EEA as a whole did it long ago, but the UK doesn't want freedom of movement even for existing residents!)
These don't of course offer the exact same things as UK citizens currently hold (such as stated the freedom of movement between EU/EEA states) but guarantees someone who has made a life abroad can stay.
Of course there are still unknowns, such as how long you are allowed to be outside the country you have the right to remain in before you lose that right.
Other current rights such as healthcare, pensions etc are in most of those offers but subject to EU/EEA rules given a no-deal scenario.

Also asfaik, the UK has said it would welcome such deals, but won't sign because the UK will not give firm commitments as to who will be eligible to stay in the UK in a no-deal scenario beyond certain guarantees for those in the UK for over 5 years. (cut off dates, period of residency, proof of residency etc)
Hence the impasse for what is being termed 'administrative arrangements' to be agreed.

Sod off to Germany then if UK so crap and EU so wonderful.

 

[SirGalahad]

Hasn't Germany tried to 'unite' Europe a couple of times in the past? When will people learn.....

Stop living in the past. If we had that attitude we should never deal with the Americans.

Or that commonwealth countries that were once under our colonial rule should never trade with us.

It is utterly stupid crap pushed by DM readers.

 

[durhamplumber]

No chance of another referendum anytime soon...NEVER

 

[Deleted member 63160]

I can confirm that a European country I have visited recently has set up extra transitional customs/passport control for UK citizens...

Come on then do tell, which country and do they have dedicated lanes for every non EU country???

 

[Notch7]

Come on then do tell, which country and do they have dedicated lanes for every non EU country???

Lithuania

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Lithuania

I guess lally doesn't want to tell us