Never seen you post in that context, usually it's all about Yahboo politics
Labour Conference
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I'm sure we have our differences, but sometimes I do like your style.
I remember once, having a lively but good natured discussion, in person, in a moderately szied group of people, alcohol was available.
I gave my opinon about something, I can't remember what the discussion was about.
Someone who had been quiet up to that point, and was normaly considered ambivalent, said, "yeah, but you're a *****".
It was so out of character it was really funny.
Impossible for Labour to win a GE in the UK then.
Obviously there's ongoing support from happy-clappy types who think it would be lovely if everyone was lovely, and don't really think much beyond that, can forgive the odd illegal invasion, them and their parents always voted for them and just hate the other lot.
But Labour gains massive support from younger voters. They always get more support every year while they're out of office, as they promise the earth and seem like the "nice" party. If people didn't experience their last attempt at running the country then they're vastly more likely to vote for them.
I've been along this learning curve myself. I grew up in Thatcher's cruel Britain. Couldn't understand why anyone voted for the nasty party, seemed obvious that the nice lot should run the country. I was part of the wide-eyed innocent public that voted the lying war criminal and his cronies into power, thinking that "Things can only get better".
A few years later... pretty much no industry left, nobody can afford a house, public spending completely out of control while services don't improve and the former working classes are being bribed with handouts paid from borrowed money to keep voting for more of the same.
Labour trashed the country's future and does not serve the working classes.
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Yep.
Tories trashed the country's future and do not serve the working classes.
This is the quote I think your looking for.
'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain' - PubMed
'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain'
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
That's a corruption of the original, from a French academic:This is the quote I think your looking for.
'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain' - PubMed
'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain'
Edmund Burke was an Irish statesman.
Edmund Burke - Wikipedia
¹I would have translated "son âme" as his soul.
Tedious tribalism. Some of us see through it all and don't beat the drum for either side of the fake battle that some pretend is democracy in this country.
Blair period in power:
Lower child poverty
Lower pensioner poverty
Steady growth
Lowest NHS waiting times in history
Dr's appointment in 48hrs, now 3 weeks
Increased number of nurses
More police
Lower class sizes
Sure start
It was far better than Tories since
Labour created benefit dependency, to ensure the former working classes kept voting for them.
They did very little to encourage or retain industry, in fact the opposite. Among other issues, the housing market boom they openly patted themselves on the back for directly led to many viable businesses being shut down and demolished to build houses, as the rewards for closing a business became greater than those for staying in business (even if profitable).
They spewed money at the NHS, much of it off the books, e.g. all the dodgy PFI deals. It would be ridiculous if things hadn't improved, of course they did, but whether it was all good value is another issue. The NHS will drink as much money as can be thrown at it and it will still want more. The tories have increased its budget every year well above inflation, there have not been any cuts, those in the labour party suggesting this are outright liars. The biggest issue the NHS has had (among many) is from the covid panto, for which Labour backed every reckless decision made by the tories, basically shutting it down for over a year.
You're creating a false dichotomy, that everyone who doesn't think the sun shines out of Starmer's arse is a Tory fanatic. That's simply not the case, you have a caricatured simplistic view of the world.
My point is definitely not that the tories are wonderful - they're terrible. But that the sort of pant-wetting excitement at Labour's announcements seen on this thread is absolutely definitely going to become disappointment once the reality of them getting in becomes clear.
Labour is very likely to win the next election. Most are apathetic about it, sadly a few misguided fools actually believe that life's going to be all sunshine and flowers after. It won't be, it will be pretty similar to now, mostly because the country's completely broke due to two decades of utter incompetence and deceit by BOTH parties, so they will be prevented from doing almost all of it or will be forced to raise taxes way above what they now are.
Most people will find out that they are "the rich" that are being targeted - socialism is great until you run out of someone else's money.
They did very little to encourage or retain industry, in fact the opposite. Among other issues, the housing market boom they openly patted themselves on the back for directly led to many viable businesses being shut down and demolished to build houses, as the rewards for closing a business became greater than those for staying in business (even if profitable).
They spewed money at the NHS, much of it off the books, e.g. all the dodgy PFI deals. It would be ridiculous if things hadn't improved, of course they did, but whether it was all good value is another issue. The NHS will drink as much money as can be thrown at it and it will still want more. The tories have increased its budget every year well above inflation, there have not been any cuts, those in the labour party suggesting this are outright liars. The biggest issue the NHS has had (among many) is from the covid panto, for which Labour backed every reckless decision made by the tories, basically shutting it down for over a year.
You're creating a false dichotomy, that everyone who doesn't think the sun shines out of Starmer's arse is a Tory fanatic. That's simply not the case, you have a caricatured simplistic view of the world.
My point is definitely not that the tories are wonderful - they're terrible. But that the sort of pant-wetting excitement at Labour's announcements seen on this thread is absolutely definitely going to become disappointment once the reality of them getting in becomes clear.
Labour is very likely to win the next election. Most are apathetic about it, sadly a few misguided fools actually believe that life's going to be all sunshine and flowers after. It won't be, it will be pretty similar to now, mostly because the country's completely broke due to two decades of utter incompetence and deceit by BOTH parties, so they will be prevented from doing almost all of it or will be forced to raise taxes way above what they now are.
Most people will find out that they are "the rich" that are being targeted - socialism is great until you run out of someone else's money.
Yep, that's tedious Ivor for you.
Even tedious Ivor has noticed.
No they didn’t.
Labour reduced the numbers unemployed for most of its period in office and it tightened medical checks for those on incapacity benefits. It also introduced jobcentre interviews
I notice Ivor spends his time posting uninformed bias
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