Male Police can strip search a female.

[noseall]

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Transgender-and-Non-Binary-Search-Position-v5_Redacted.pdf

A person born as a male, who transitions to become a woman, is now authorised to forcibly strip search a female.

Sex Matters is challenging BTP’s abusive strip-search policy - Sex Matters

On 30th September British Transport Police (BTP) adopted a new searching policy that allows male officers who have gender-recognition certificates to search, including strip-search, female detainees. This follows the withdrawal of similar guidance by the National Police Chiefs’ Council. We think...

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But not an EIP search. So just a pat down and 'remove your jacket please'.

Nothing to see here.

 

[noseall]

It's an argument for arguments sake, nothing more.

It's barely anything more than you'd get going through any moderate security. Its another biking from the boatyard folly.

 

[blup]

They are, and another more suitable officer should be found. It could also be deemed that a nurse or other medical professional would be better doing the search.

But isn't the point that a trans woman is in the eyes of the law, just that ,- a woman. So its not a case of people not being able to tell the difference, rather a female being tricked into consenting to an intimate search. because the law says protecting trans rights (in this case identifying a woman as a trans woman trumps protecting biological womens' rights.

 

[denso13]

But isn't the point that a trans woman is in the eyes of the law, just that ,- a woman.

Yes. But, again, what is the size of the issue? How many transgender BTP officers are there? Why would a senior officer choose a transgender person to carry out a forced search on a woman, when there is no doubt a woman could carry out the search?

You could say that, if the stars align, it could happen. That is a long way from scaremongering and implying it will become the norm. Has it even actually ever happened?

rather a female being tricked into consenting to an intimate search.

Do you really think that is the point of the policy? To trick people?

 

[transam]

In the states if they pull some one over and arrest them ( woman) and there are no female officers available / present they have to search em / pat them down prior to putting them in the patrol car

They use the back of there hand when searching the bra area etc

all On body cams

 

[carmanmemoranda]

That is the question, but answering it in the affirmative does not address the underlying issue of whether it is morally right. Would you object to marrying a bloke who identified as a woman? In a situation where you were given no choice? Like the issue of assisted dying society has got to address the underlying moral issues before it exports the decision to individuals

I'd certainly check before committing.

But this is all about a storm in a teacup. Nothing to do with marrying or getting close.

Just upholding the law and doing it legally .

 

[blup]

Yes. But, again, what is the size of the issue? How many transgender BTP officers are there? Why would a senior officer choose a transgender person to carry out a forced search on a woman, when there is no doubt a woman could carry out the search?

You could say that, if the stars align, it could happen. That is a long way from scaremongering and implying it will become the norm. Has it even actually ever happened?

It makes it a possibility and this is a point of principle regardless of the haters

Do you really think that is the point of the policy? To trick people?

It's a consequence of a policy that prioritises trans rights above women's rights. There's room for both

 

[ellal]

 

[denso13]

It's a consequence of a policy that prioritises trans rights above women's rights.

But it doesn't, the woman can object, and her rights take precedence. I agree it is a difficult one though.

 

[denso13]

It makes it a possibility and this is a point of principle regardless of the haters

Does it? How many transgender people are BTP officers?

 

[blup]

Does it? How many transgender people are BTP officers?

Dunno, which is the point, they can keep it under wraps

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Dunno, which is the point, they can keep it under wraps

So it could just be an imaginary problem mmm?

Lacking any actual details I think it is

 

[motorbiking]

But it doesn't, the woman can object, and her rights take precedence. I agree it is a difficult one though.

and face criminal prosecution according to one police force at least (Appendix B), response to FOI.

additionally I discussed with a met plod last night. "If you object, they will do it by force". Hence the state sponsored sexual assault argument.

There are also a few plod with male and female warrant cards, to suit their gender fluid identity.

 

[motorbiking]

It's barely anything more than you'd get going through any moderate security. Its another biking from the boatyard folly.

ask your wife how she'd feel.

 

[motorbiking]

So it could just be an imaginary problem mmm?

Lacking any actual details I think it is

so imaginary that people are running a campaign to fund a judicial review.

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Facts-and-grounds-Sex-Matters-and-BTP.pdf