Male Police can strip search a female.

[carmanmemoranda]

so imaginary that people are running a campaign to fund a judicial review.

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Facts-and-grounds-Sex-Matters-and-BTP.pdf

And still no facts on numbers

 

[blup]

And still no facts on numbers

Very few trans officers, very few trans officers searching female detainees. Its not about numbers, its about one set of rights overriding another.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Very few trans officers, very few trans officers searching female detainees. Its not about numbers, its about one set of rights overriding another.

I see it more as the law being upheld by the police.

Just another stick to beat them with.

But then I like the laws being upheld. So, is it legal ?

 

[motorbiking]

I see it more as the law being upheld by the police.

Just another stick to beat them with.

But then I like the laws being upheld. So, is it legal ?

You like the idea of a bloke identifying as female demanding a female officer does the search. You like the idea of an officer facing a discipline if she refused? You seem to think there is no issue? So why not withdraw the policy, like most other police forces have done?

 

[blup]

I see it more as the law being upheld by the police.

Just another stick to beat them with.

But then I like the laws being upheld. So, is it legal ?

You are swerving, you referred to numbers, now you are referring to legality.

The law seems to create fictions around consent to protect vulnerable members of society from abuse or exploitation. Its taking it too far to create a fiction that a man is a woman for every single purpose in every single situation. In mbk’s examples it affects a female officer as much as it would a female detainee.

It must be legal to not permit it, because the met appear to have withdrawn their guidance.

 

[denso13]

Dunno, which is the point, they can keep it under wraps

Is it really? It's a non issue, and if it becomes a problem we should revisit it. There are plenty of safeguards in place.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You are swerving, you referred to numbers, now you are referring to legality.

Nobody has produced any numbers to say how (un) likely it is to ever happen. Not my fault, I keep asking for the numbers.

The law seems to create fictions around consent to protect vulnerable members of society from abuse or exploitation. Its taking it too far to create a fiction that a man is a woman for every single purpose in every single situation. In mbk’s examples it affects a female officer as much as it would a female detainee.

It must be legal to not permit it, because the met appear to have withdrawn their guidance.

Either it's legal, or it isn't.

I'm all behind the police, sorry if that doesn't fit the narrative wanted

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You like the idea of a bloke identifying as female demanding a female officer does the search.

Where ? Don't put words in other people's mouths please, it's not right

You like the idea of an officer facing a discipline if she refused? You seem to think there is no issue? So why not withdraw the policy, like most other police forces have done?

Why not let the police and authorities sort it out ?

Why do you want the police restricted in their duties ?

 

[denso13]

Its taking it too far to create a fiction that a man is a woman for every single purpose in every single situation.

But the policy doesn't state anything like that at all. You seem to be concerned about things which aren't proposed.

 

[noseall]

It's a non issue,

Correct.

Protocols leading to being searched are still as robust as they were. No EIP, not even close. Its nothing more than a pat-down or asked to remove your anorak, lol.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Correct.

Protocols leading to being searched are still as robust as they were. No EIP, not even close. Its nothing more than a pat-down or asked to remove your anorak, lol.

It's a major issue.

Appears to be they are concerned that the women they know are likely to be arrested and searched. But why?

 

[motorbiking]

Is it really? It's a non issue, and if it becomes a problem we should revisit it. There are plenty of safeguards in place.

But you haven’t been able to find them.

 

[motorbiking]

You are swerving, you referred to numbers, now you are referring to legality.

The law seems to create fictions around consent to protect vulnerable members of society from abuse or exploitation. Its taking it too far to create a fiction that a man is a woman for every single purpose in every single situation. In mbk’s examples it affects a female officer as much as it would a female detainee.

It must be legal to not permit it, because the met appear to have withdrawn their guidance.

Not just the Met, so far it’s only BTP being stubborn.

Of course dumb and dumber have no clue as usual.

 

[noseall]

so far it’s only BTP being stubborn.

'coats and outer clothing'

EIP - not in the slightest.

Please remove your anorak ma'm.

Lol.

 

[blup]

Is it really? It's a non issue, and if it becomes a problem we should revisit it. There are plenty of safeguards in place.

Its the starting point, not a non issue