nuke or fossil fuel

Actually, oil won't run out. It's made by the anaerobic decay of marine organisms. Everything (well almost everything) that lives in the oceans eventually sinks to the bottom and joins the detrital ooze. This process is going on right now - making oil. :) :) :) The snag is that we are taking it out a lot faster than it's being made. The truth is that EASILY ACCESSIBLE oil will run out. :( :( :(

This won't happen overnight but it might go something like this:

1) The demand for oil will exceed the easily accessible supply.

2) The price will go up. (The price IS going up!)

3) We will complain a lot but pay up anyway.

4) The price will go up even more.

5) We will do our dingers about the price of petrol and seriously consider driving our cars less. We will learn how to walk a mile and bike four - or more. ;) ;) ;)

6) The higher price will get people thinking about going after less accessible oil - or making it from coal, which will only delay the inevitable because easily accessible coal will also run out!

7) The higher price will prompt lots of people to try lots of ways of making viable fuel from plants, be they botanical, geothermal or nuclear! The price will, unfortunately, remain high. :cry: :cry: :cry:

8} The accountants who tried to pull the plug on our experimental fusion ring will get the sack. :evil: :evil: :evil: OK, that's too much to hope for but the physicists and engineers who carried on designing it in the pub will have a jolly good laugh. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

9) We will get used to the idea that transport is no longer cheap. We will take this into account when we build our houses, shops and factories. Caravan site shops in South West Scotland will get their eggs from local farms instead of having them "delivered fresh from Nottingham every day". :eek: :eek: :eek: (No, I'm not joking!)

10) At some unknown time in the future we will solve the problem. Just as coal made the industrial revolution possible and oil gave us cheap transport, so SOMETHING - don't ask me what - will become our new source of plentiful, cheap energy.

11) We will consume it like there is no tomorrow, wizzing round the solar system for summer holidays on Mars (or winter holidays on Venus :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: ). The Starship Enterprise will set off to explore planets orbiting other stars. :cool: :cool: :cool:

12) Our new found energy source will begin to run out. :eek: :eek: :eek:

13) We will be right back where we started! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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10) At some unknown time in the future we will solve the problem. Just as coal made the industrial revolution possible and oil gave us cheap transport, so SOMETHING - don't ask me what - will become our new source of plentiful, cheap energy.

Did you say you were a physicist? If so, you should know that only a commodity with energy already built in like oil and coal can give us energy for (almost) free.
All the bio nonsense is a complete waste of time and actually consumes more energy than it returns in the growing and manufacturing process.
But it's not the transport that is the big problem here, it's all the bi-products of oil and gas such as fertilisers and pesticides that we would really miss. No fertiliser - no intensive farming = starving people. I've given you a link to read that covers all the alternatives.
 
It's simple. Just check the rise in price of oil over the past decade. The proof is out there - you just don't want to see it. Your choice.

Again, I have never denied there is a an oil shortage. Read all my posts. the truth is up there - you just dont want to see it. Your choice.

OK lets leave it at that then.

If you want a link that as far as I can see is neutral - read this one. It looks at both sides of the argument.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2005-10-16-oil-1a-cover-usat_x.htm

Another thing to notice is that the report in the link I gave you is 2 years old. Back then crude oil was $63 a barrel - today it is pushing $100 a barrel.
 
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Why don't you be a bit grown up and join me in a debate on the subject rather than posting abuse?
Debate? Hmmmnnnn, I don't think the guy has got it yet.

I note that the moderators allow you to post abuse in my direction without censor.
Mods are human beings after all and perhaps they get equally frustrated moderating repeated rants about the same things with no possibility of debate from certain individuals ... It's clear the majority of members do looking back on recent topics.

Maybe they are more tolerant of members who post DIY advice also occasionally :LOL:

MW

I think you'll find I post more advice in the other forums than you do.

You are the one ranting, not me.
 
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If you'd read the article.....................Treat it all as a joke at your peril.

If I'd read the article? Where did you think I got the solar oven, the oil on the slippery downward slope and the book info from? However joe-90, just because I have read them, does not mean that I believe them. In case I'm wrong, I have today put in my order for a solar oven ( I may have to wait a bit as there is a huge waiting list).

It is not the situation that is the joke joe. Rather it is the people, like yourself, who appear to be totally obsessed with that situation. Throughout the centuries there have been many eccentrics forecasting, wrongly, that the end of the world is imminent. Please don't become one of them.
 
Guys, don't you see that J90 thrives on this kind of adversarial nonsense ... Ignore his posts and, with a little luck, he may get bored writing to himself and go away.

Communication with this man is futile IMO.
 
If you'd read the article.....................Treat it all as a joke at your peril.

If I'd read the article? Where did you think I got the solar oven, the oil on the slippery downward slope and the book info from? However joe-90, just because I have read them, does not mean that I believe them. In case I'm wrong, I have today put in my order for a solar oven ( I may have to wait a bit as there is a huge waiting list).

It is not the situation that is the joke joe. Rather it is the people, like yourself, who appear to be totally obsessed with that situation. Throughout the centuries there have been many eccentrics forecasting, wrongly, that the end of the world is imminent. Please don't become one of them.

It's mathematical certainty that oil will not run out but become prohibitively expensive due to the fact that supply cannot keep up with demand. When that happens (as it seems to be doing at the moment) then we are in big trouble. Our economy is built upon cheap oil and can only grow whilst we have that oil. When the price rises then all of us must pay more for just about everything. Every item in the shops incurs a cost because of oil. You only have to check out the price of crude to see what is happening. It's just going up and up due to demand from the Asian economies (mainly). Think about it. We will always have oil - but at what cost?
 
Guys, don't you see that J90 thrives on this kind of adversarial nonsense ... Ignore his posts and, with a little luck, he may get bored writing to himself and go away.

Communication with this man is futile IMO.

Why don't you set a good example and ignore me?

Tell you what. I won't respond to any of your posts if you don't respond to mine. We can totally ignore each other.

(but he can't do it can he? He just has to make daft noises from behind the sofa).
 
And that includes making banal comments about my posts too. We can TOTALLY ignore each other. I won't contribute to any thread that you start or comment on any post that you make. I expect the same in return.
 
And that includes making banal comments about my posts too. We can TOTALLY ignore each other. I won't contribute to any thread that you start or comment on any post that you make. I expect the same in return.

Not in the exact words but where have I heard that before? Do you ever get the feeling that you're gradually being sent to Coventry joe?
 
Having once been to Coventry I wouldn't even send Joe there but I get the sentiment :LOL:
 
We can TOTALLY ignore each other. I won't contribute to any thread that you start or comment on any post that you make. I expect the same in return.

I'm tempted to request the same deal, but alas, Joe does start, or contribute to, a lot of topics that I am interested in.
 
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