Putin, arse, elbow

[Justin Passing]

What are you on about?

Ukraine is not invading Russia.

Russia invaded Ukraine and its failing badly - it tried to take Kyiv and failed, it tried to take Mariupol and after 50 days still hasn’t succeeded.


If as according to Russia is winning, how come Putin is desperately trying to recruit Syrians to fight…oh and he is trying to get retired veterans to come back.


And I’m sorry but you are wrong to suggest Ukraine should have simply surrendered….if Russia takes over, their way of life is destroyed.

Nobody suggested Ukraine was invading Russia. That's a silly suggestion.

What I'm on about is surely obvious. It's Ukraine that's getting trashed, albeit not as quickly as the Puta wanted, but not Russia.
Ukraine has gained nothing, only lost.
Ukraine has 2/3rds of its kids displaced, in a total around 11 million. Russia has lost some soldiers but they can stall that.
If Putin destroys incoming arms shipments, which shouldn't be all that hard to detect, and has enough bombs and missiles to deal with the rest of Ukraine's arms, which I reckon he probably does have, then he can keep taking whatever he wants of Ukraine. If he gets annoyed or starts losing much, he can always use a bigger bang. I wouldn't be surprised to see some demonstration that he's prepared to do that.
He can use standoff weapons and not lose so many soldiers (not that he cares unless he runs short).
And/or he can more or less lay seige to it. Turn off the infrastructure and wait. WHat's the rush?
Why the hell it's taken him this long to hit all and every arms manufactory they have, dog knows. He's still being gentle, for some reason. Maybe his cronies, but Mishustin (PM) is a Putin appointee. Maybe it's important for Putin to be able to sell his line to his subjects, but that still doesn't account for his pussyfooting.

He doesn't care about what the west thinks of him, or their pathetic moves like taking him off a council or calling him a criminal. Only Russian law applies to him.
The days of Russia relying on the west for grain are long gone. He was smart enough to do with grain what the EU wasn't, with oil.


If Putin gets the 40,000 Syrians to fight for him he'll treat them like dirt after a while, but can send them against Ukranian civilians because they all volunteered to fight when Zelensky called, so they're legitimate targets.

Maybe that's why Putin is leavng the railways - to let anyone who isn't a target, leave. Then he can nuke the militants - ie the rest of the country, "legitimately".

 

[denso13]

What I'm on about is surely obvious.

It is. I'm not sure why you keep repeating it as some sort of revelation. Putin can destroy Ukraine if he wishes, everybody gets that.

Do you think Ukraine should just surrender?

 

[transam]

It’s highly unlikely that 40000 Syrians would go to the Ukraine to fight for Putin

a 16000 figure has been mentioned even that is probably excessive

that would be a significant chunk of Assad’s army ???

reports suggest ?? That Putin has had to scale back his involvement in Syria ???

 

[ajohn]

I'll believe the Syrians when I see them. The report I saw was more a reaction to reports of various people coming to fight on Ukraine's side, a sort of me too from Putin. There were already people from various countries and groups fighting on Ukraine's side going right back to 2014. Early on there were different paramilitary groups but reports suggest all merged into the Azov brigade. However Syrian body bags are less of a problem for him than Russian. A big problem is various news sources bloating all sorts of aspects up. Capturing all of Ukraine is one of them - there hasn't been the slightest sign of them wanting to do that. Not even a hint.

It pays to remember Ukraine has it's propaganda machine as well. When attempts are made to move Russians out no one has a clue which side caused the damage that is often seen. Hit tanks are a bit tricky too which side do they belong to? Ukraine may have more recent Russian stuff, left over from before the "Donbas war".

civilians because they all volunteered to fight when Zelensky called, so they're legitimate targets.

Also similar passing info on in occupied areas. But then comes the fact that they are fighting, some of them anyway.

One thing is clear and probably explains some aspects of the war. Definite attempts to limit so called collateral damage. One method exactly the same as Iraq. The time when big bangs are arranged to happen. Even shelling at times. I'd suspect some other aspects relate to the same area as well. eg How they initially attack a city or town. Get people out and also allow them to leave. Suburbs first.

Not hitting critical things initially - I haven't a clue other than they didn't. Not much anyway. The initial attack to get into Kyev etc wasn't. It was an attempt to take an airport that didn't work out. Later they took it. Anyone who thinks Russia didn't know what had been going on in Kyev and elsewhere at the time is some sort of nutcase. Kyev had a number of hard lock downs to get rid of so called saboteurs. Collaborators might be a better word. Ukrainians seem to add Chechen to describe them.

Anyway. More missile strikes in the east. 4 but 5 had been mentioned. Military,. One a warehouse said to be empty. A "car"repair place. No mention of what the others were. Near a railway but tracks said to still be ok. The one shown looked like a direct building hit. Sounds like one in Kyev was as well earlier - no significant damage to surrounding buildings.

Reports say the Mariupol soldiers haven't surrendered. They do seem to be trapped in a steel works.

 

[transam]

Reports suggest that

General Suheil al Hassans division
( Syrian) have sent 700 (or 700 have left Syria) to go to Russia ???

Russian trained Syrian special forces ???

 

[ajohn]

Reports say the Mariupol soldiers haven't surrendered. They do seem to be trapped in a steel works.

The Ukrainian report on that is dubious. They have added civilians. Some of those are being fed and moved to safer places by Russia and are still there. They also evacuated a number giving them the choice or Russia or Ukraine. Some who chose Ukraine were interviews, from a large crowd.

Heard more clearly this time. The missile strikes in the east.. It seems it looked like they were aimed elsewhere and were diverted. In mid flight maybe? Pass but diverted has been mentioned.

 

[ajohn]

General Suheil al Hassans division
( Syrian) have sent 700 (or 700 have left Syria) to go to Russia ???

LOL No they have missed some zeros. It should be 700,000,000.

Why not just wait for some action by them - if it happens it will get out. It might when it hasn't as well.

The whole war really is still a wait and see.

 

[denso13]

Some of those are being fed and moved to safer places by Russia and are still there

Aw bless the invaders...

 

[ajohn]

The population of Syria is about 17,000,000. Where will they get 700,000,000 soldiers from?

They are virtual soldiers.

 

[ajohn]

And it might not when it has.

I usually don't bother replying to posts like some of yours.

However Russia is still allowing western reporters to work in Moscow. If Putin has his Syrians why hasn't he mentioned them. Perhaps he has but a spetsnaz man has a makarov pointing at a reporter's head while telling them not to mention they are there or have been sent to Ukraine.

The spectacular variation in numbers is a pointer. It's a fact of life that propaganda and various news sources prevent the majority of us from really knowing what is going on.All sorts are possible even Russia backing off and going home. This one started of when Putin mentioned that he too had offers from foreign fighters. The report included a number cheering etc something or the other.

 

[transam]

LOL No they have missed some zeros. It should be 700,000,000.

Why not just wait for some action by them - if it happens it will get out. It might when it hasn't as well.

The whole war really is still a wait and see.

no 700 was the report

that’s Seven (7) Hundred (700)

 

[transam]

Report on the news from some Russian spokes person (?)

stating that Nato was directly (?) involved in the sinking of that Russian flag ship ???

Turks could find them selves in an awkward situation ? If the Russians want to reinforce there Black Sea fleet

as the Turks control the exit / entry into the Black Sea ??

they are currently invoking some treaty limiting access to war ships
Into the Black Sea ???

 

[charliegolf]

Report on the news from some Russian spokes person (?)

stating that Nato was directly (?) involved in the sinking of that Russian flag ship ???

How? By selling large boxes of Swan Vestas to Russia?

 

[transam]

How? By selling large boxes of Swan Vestas to Russia?

no his take on the caper was nato targeted the ship with missiles

and the Russians are keeping quiet deliberately so as to not start world war three ??

hence the Swan matches no casualties story

Nato
US
Uk

deny any such involvement

 

[ajohn]

The Turks are busy in Iraq probably tidying up the USA's use of Kurds. Bad Kurds rather than good ones. It seems the Turks do see some as ok now.

The big boat? Russia has a black sea fleet. It includes a number of modern missile ships. I would assume the fleet is stationed in the black sea hence quickly invading Crimea.

There are some treaty limitations on access to the black sea that are controlled by Turkey. If Russia has a fleet there why use the access. They will also be able to fuel and re supply. There also seems to be a few subs.

There are a number of Russian pundits about. Some in Russia some not. Views vary.

BBC has a pundit on. Military type. His view of Russia's phase 2 is the same as mine. Ukraine isn't really set up for conventional warfare so the likely outcome looks to be one sided. However it's wait and see again. He also unusually mentioned Phase 2 fit's in with Putin's original announced intent.

The Azov lot are Putin's Nazis / extreme nationalists. Paramilitary paid by an oly. They didn't have a good reputation so the USA stopped training them and put them on the terrorist list and later took them off. I've read as the pentagon requested. I've mentioned this before
Beginning in 2015, Azov has organized summer camps where children and teenagers receive combat training mixed with lectures on Ukrainian nationalism.

It seems in a Russian set up oly's are expected to chip in if needed. Putin's palace mentioned as a possible example LOL It might turn out to be a Chequers equivalent for the Russian President. The soviet had been known to work like that.

Russia is claiming 300 strikes but no mention of over what period. There was one in Kiev a while ago and no details released at all as to what it was. A Ukrainian interviewed directly mentioned that they are not allowed to talk about things like that.