Putin, arse, elbow

Not one African country has imposed any sanctions on Russia

figures ;)

India need to tread a careful path as well imo

mind you that bloke in charge of India is a fruit cake any way

or let’s say a bigger fruit cake than the normal fruit cake that leads the worlds largest democracy

assuming you can call it that under modi’s leadership :ROFLMAO:
 
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I have a question (raises hand)

Why o why don't we have a neutral observer in Ukraine overseeing ceasefire situations which is also beamed live to the UN via drone footage so the world can see humanitarian corridor protocol is followed.
Who is neutral?

But there are some multinational organisations like
https://www.ohchr.org/en/countries/ukraine

But they can't be everywhere and it simply isn't safe to be too close to the front lines.

As for Drones, Russia is jamming drone control frequencies and won't take time to verify ID before shooting any down.
 
Not one African country has imposed any sanctions on Russia
Russia is a member of more than one trading group. Cameron says UK look east. Well seems Russia did a while ago. The USA isn't viewed positively by all. And etc. Some will be more concerned about their economy. It seems Hungary is.

Some Russian has made noises about Moldova. C4 have just said it's the latest aim. Is it, the Russian that mentioned it isn't that important, If they want to do that Odessa is in the way. They may also try and split Ukraine as it has been in the past. A river that runs across the country.

Ukraine is worried that when they have the Donbas if they can that doesn't mean things will definitely stop. It might depend on how many troops and kit Ukraine has left.

Boris is talking about back filling tanks. Send new ones to say Poland so they can send their older stuff to Ukraine.

Some are worried that Russia might use a battlefield nuke. There are some fairly tidy ones. One type doesn't blast that much area but has an effective radius of up to 2,000m or less - I assume if needed. A small ordinary nuke can be made to cover ~ football pitch size.

NATO man is running between the 2 leaders trying to sort something out - what?
 
Who is neutral?

But there are some multinational organisations like
https://www.ohchr.org/en/countries/ukraine

But they can't be everywhere and it simply isn't safe to be too close to the front lines.

As for Drones, Russia is jamming drone control frequencies and won't take time to verify ID before shooting any down.
There should be a recognised body made up of a global force that is allowed to supervise humanitarian corridors.

Drones such as switchblade and the new Ghost drone I believe have fire and forget profiling which do not need remote operation hence jamming has no effect.
 
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Well Johnson is not the most popular person on putins list

imo one of the reasons Johnson is so keen to help the Ukraine is due to this Salisbury incident ??

Nato should supply the Ukraine with every offensive conventional weapons system they have got

call Putins bluff with his nuclear threats / inferences

he us intent on taking the entire east of Ukraine cutting off there access to the Black Sea

Odessa will be be on his list

direct confrontation with Russia is inevitable IMO

just a question of when ?? As and when that becomes a possibility we will than see if Nato sticks together ??

Imo Putin is of the opinion that it will fragment ?????????
 
There should be a recognised body made up of a global force that is allowed to supervise humanitarian corridors.

Drones such as switchblade and the new Ghost drone I believe have fire and forget profiling which do not need remote operation hence jamming has no effect.
Those drones are guided in real time. And the classic Turkish made ones are also indisputably guided in real time.

The body you describe is probably the one I linked. But it doesn't work when Russia will happily shoot the observers.
 
Mariupol steel works

There is a bomb shelter under the steel works

( Cold War policy ) bigger the factory the bigger the shelter

apparently the net work of bunkers can house up to 4000 people ??
 
Probably because the UK has been keen to arm the Ukraine and continue supplying them, more than other countries.

The main supplier by far is the USA. There are a number that have put all sorts in. The main question is have they got there. Biden needs congress to agree to putting more money in. He mentioned $800m for weapons plus $500m for other aspects and the need to do this more than once. Finland have decided to put some stuff in to. Most have.

The other question is terrain. Fighting for Donbas is nothing like defending a city or town. This what is being said anyway. It needs different kit.

The bespoke new drone is only one part of the latest $800 million arms package announced by President Joe Biden today. Also included are:


  • 72 155mm Howitzers and 144,000 artillery rounds
  • 72 Tactical Vehicles to tow 155mm Howitzers
  • Field equipment and spare parts
The bespoken for Ukraine is denied by some - it's a type of drone the USA wants to improve on the switchblade. The howitzers are needed because the russian stuff they have in this area uses a different calibre. Rumour says the USA have been buying as much of the russian rounds they can lay their hands on. Some east european countries probably have them. Actually I thought troop carriers were also mentioned

What is a Ghost drones?
The unmanned aerial vehicle is designed to be flown only once. The Phoenix Ghost is similar to “switchblade” drones—also known as “kamikaze drones” or “loitering munitions”—the U.S. has already delivered to Ukraine in that it doesn't fire on an enemy from a far distance.

It's a little like flying a drone with an iPad. My understanding is a nice little easy to use controller with a screen and joy stick used to visually guide it. It explodes when it hits. A drone they will have is an older Russian one used for surveillance. Past that who knows? It seems the switchblade they already have can fly for an hour. The ghost is said to be able to "loiter" for 6hrs. They are said to be effective against medium armour. The ghost is very very recent. Good opportunity to test it's capabilities.

;) I know we are British and great etc also that war can make people go gung ho - especially when they aren't actually involved in it. The problem with giving them everything available is them being able to use it. Getting it there is also likely to figure.
 
So Putin the bellend loses two more generals today and one in critical condition. Oh deary me just not going his way. I wonder if he realises just how much detail the west are scrutinising their movements. I would say its highly likely the west have tapped into their military network tagging key cell ids etc. Maybe not able to decipher their comms but that doesn't matter.
With precision Drones and geo tagging of key personnel this is making life very difficult for the Russians. Problem being the likes of Putin has no real idea just how much the USA and the likes of Israel etc have up their sleeves when it comes to surveillance. Possibly Israel being one of the most advanced in the world.

Oh dear me.
 
I've been following drone comms since they arrived. I wodered back then why we didn't see drones flitting onto football stadia, or the 2012 Olympics, by people wanting video. You can't shoot them down unless it's indisputably "safe", and anyone with a soldering iron can change the radio. It's interesting, sometimes in a morbid sort of way, to see where designs have been going, for quite some years now.
It's not at all easy to "jam" one which is designed to resist the manufacturers advertise the methods, and of course some military would go further. They don't need to transmit continuously so you can't easily monitor them, the frequencies they use don't have to comply with standards, and those hop about - the drone picks a clear band. The transmission power you would need to swamp a wide comms band is immense compared with what the drone needs to communicate. The drone is moving quite fast, which the jammer isn't, flying low enough to obstruct the jammer signal. They would use GPS if it's there, which it usually is, because that's not easy to jam and reception is highly directional. If GPS is not there they can use other means to navigate.
The small drones are like a fly in a barn - what do you use to shoot them down? Imagine trying to use a machine gun... The bigger ones are easier to shoot down, but they have the irritating impertinece to still blow up, and near to you if you're on the ground.
One feature drones have is to be hugely helped by mass production. If the integrated electronics production is within scope for the drone maker - (less so for Russia than US or the Far East), then it's just a clever pcb. Vast numbers can be used at little cost. One side can send large numbers, and the other can't stop em all. SAy 10 - 100 to get pictures, 10,000 to kill all the people in the open. It's easy enough to target warm things which are moving about.

A "disruptor" in the R-Uk scene so far has been the cheap defensive weapon. The NLAWS type are a mere £20k each. A-A Stingers cost about £70k. The things rarely miss, and though improved, they're 40 year old technology. Russians have slightly better ones - Iglas.

Now combine the above. If the western best munitions can be got to where they're really needed, perhaps it really will be possible to stall the Russians' advance. The US artillery pieces (The 155mm ones) outrange the Russian ones by a good margin. And they're clever of course. It's standard to work out where a ballistic shell has come from, using radar-tracking of the incoming path. So you fire one back, up its muzzle, so to speak. Putin did pick those out as something he would think was unfair...

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Quite a good site for the status of the conflict, Moldova, etc, not too much spin: https://www.19fortyfive.com/
 
It's standard to work out where a ballistic shell has come from, using radar-tracking of the incoming path. So you fire one back, up its muzzle, so to speak.
Going on a Ukrainian tank crew report Russia can do that. They have to fire a few shells and then move. Reminds me of a missile strike on a shopping mall were for some reason a camera was waiting to capture it. On the other had there did seem to be some vehicles ticked away but not that clearly.

Not sure about which US 155 but Russia probably has larger calibres than Ukraine. Range depends on the round.

The next few weeks will show how well Ukraine can do in the east. Maybe not cities though. Too many Russian troop losses for any speed in that area unless they are out of certain weaponry. As nasty as it sounds certain western influences may as Russia has suggested want war to last as long as possible.However there could be another reason why weapons have been supplied as they have been. Defensive makes it more difficult to wipe out what was left of Russian Donbas. As Crimea is home for one of Russia's fleets it's obvious why they took that. At the time Putin did say he might invade Ukraine if Russian speakers were having problems. That was in 2014. Make of it what ever you like.
 
Going on a Ukrainian tank crew report Russia can do that. They have to fire a few shells and then move. nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Radar does that, not the guns. Of course Russia has it, but, as you see if you look up the artillery it's being used with (I did, but I don't have the model numbers handy - others thrive on it) you see the US artillery pieces have longer range. Something like 7000 vs 4500 yards. There's not much point Russian radar telling them where to shoot if it's a mile out of range. So the US guns wouldn't have to move.
Some old guns on both sides wouldn't integrate with the radar.

The rest of your post once again, is garbled too much to make much sense from. I can't guess what you're thinking, assuming, etc.
Yes, sure, a long war has its merits - and risks.
 
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you see the US artillery pieces have longer range. Something like 7000 vs 4500 yards. There's not much point Russian radar telling them where to shoot if it's a mile out of range.

Way longer than 7000yds, JP. The British 105 Light Gun can do 12 miles. Doesn't alter your premise, but just for pedantry.:D
 
Now combine the above. If the western best munitions can be got to where they're really needed, perhaps it really will be possible to stall the Russians' advance

America are sending the latest loitering drones, the Phoenix ghost.

it can hover for 6 hours whilst it chooses the perfect target.
 
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