Putin, arse, elbow

[IT Minion]

Yes T62s have been deployed. At least one has broken down in Ukraine. It looks like they are being used for rear area security only.

The only modern tank that uses rifled barrels is the Challenger 2, all other tanks have been smooth bore since around the 70s. The T62 is under gunned against modern tanks and generally worse in every way. There have been some updates for export models but you can't polish a 60 year old turd that much.

 

[ajohn]

The T62

The wiki page on them is an interesting read. Also bear in mind that it seems any tank can be taken out by a foot soldier which limits what they can be used for anyway.

 

[JohnD]

rusty old tanks?

yep

and we've seen the commandeered builders trucks too.

 

[JohnD]

And why have the Russians been frugal with their missiles?

because they're built with American chips.

Not quite so easy to import these days.

Special Report: How military technology reaches Russia in breach of U.S. export controls

By his own account, Ilias Sabirov, a Moscow businessman, had supplied Russia's military with high-performance computer chips made in the United States for years.

www.reuters.com

 

[IT Minion]

The wiki page on them is an interesting read. Also bear in mind that it seems any tank can be taken out by a foot soldier which limits what they can be used for anyway.

Not easily, the latest designs with ERA can often survive multiple hits with Javelin or NLAWs. Older designs won't.

 

[noseall]

I generally include question marks in any thing I post up on this subject

..or you just lie then say take it up with the owners of the radio show or some such.

Very predictable in my opinion.

 

[transam]

..or you just lie then say take it up with the owners of the radio show or some such.

Very predictable in my opinion.

Nonsense noseall

You are the porkie pier which is predictable tis who you are tis what you do

Take it up with the BBC

 

[ajohn]

Not easily, the latest designs with ERA can often survive multiple hits with Javelin or NLAWs. Older designs won't.

Surely it depends on use. Main gun range ~4km stabilised. AA machine gun range ~2.4km. The lighter machine gun ~1.5km.

I don't think tank to tank battles figure much in this war,

 

[JohnD]

Not easily, the latest designs with ERA can often survive multiple hits with Javelin or NLAWs. Older designs won't.

No ERA on the tracks.

 

[IT Minion]

No ERA on the tracks.

Not always true. Skirts can have ERA on them, plus NLAW and others attack from above. The T62 is less survivable than modern tanks.

 

[Vinty]

and what resources do you think are in this stockpile?

trucks commandeered from builders and milkmen? spare tyres? school busses?

rusty old tanks? retired ex-servicemen who could be re-conscripted?

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What does a series of random photographs with no context prove?

 

[ajohn]

What does a series of random photographs with no context prove?

Year and years of the west particularly the USA being vastly superior when in practice it isn't that simple.

The tricky part is how the war is going. The critalthreats website show the original Donbas area that formed the fighting lline and what it appears to be now. There has been near zero changes in the Donetsk oblast and little fighting *. The Luhansk oblast is entirely different. Currently Severodonetsk is much in the news. It has a rather large industrial area. Mariupol has been mentioned due to this but the industrial area is a much higher proportion of the place. Comments say capture this and one other place and Russia can claim full control of the Luhansk area which probably means they have effective control of it. Rat Putin needs to concentrate on the Donetsk area then to achieve his stated aims. That and any other changes eleswhere may give all a clearer view of how things are really going.

* Whoops - other than the southern end

 

[Justin Passing]

From what I've read, petty widely, the T72 ERA isn't effective against the Javelin, which blows the ERA out of the way with an initial explosive.
Even the cheaper NLAWS which only has one charge is effective, particularly because of its proximity fuse. The detonation which fires its armour piercing molten jet of explosive/metal (which will penetrate 600mm armour iirc) is too fast for the ERA to react, hence the mfrs recent claim that it can kill 'em all.
The latest T90 tanks use a radar and short range anti-missile-missile APS which presumably defends the tank when it works, though there's plenty of footage of those latest tanks cooking. Apparently the radar bit is vulnerable
There are some comical videos of T72s with what look like cobbled together garden sheds on top to try to protect them from javelins.

For years/decades the old soviet armour-penetrating RPG7 has been effective, close-up. Even the Muj learned that to get through the ERA, what you do is have two hit the same spot, which isn't so hard if you're hiding at the roadside. Even hand thrown (or drone dropped) A-P grenades can go through the turret, or at least blow the ERA off which isn't 100% cover anyway. As pointed out, if you're that close then the tracks are vulnerable.

I wouldn't want to be in any sort of tank in this war.

 

[Vinty]

National conscription and body bags caused Vietnam protests plus can't win ended that war. The same might happen in Russia

The diffence between Vietnam and Ukraine, is that Vietnam is 1000's of miles from America, Ukraine on the other hand is on Russia's border and is considered and existential threat to Russia it self.
Russia cannot just withdraw unilaterally as this would mean NATO forces could move right up to the Ukraine /Russia border.

 

[Charlie George]

The diffence between Vietnam and Ukraine, is that Vietnam is 1000's of miles from America, Ukraine on the other hand is on Russia's border and is considered and existential threat to Russia it self.
Russia cannot just withdraw unilaterally as this would mean NATO forces could move right up to the Ukraine /Russia border.

You mean the Country who handed over all the nuclear weapons it had, is now seen as a threat to russia? and why would NATO forces go to the Ukraine/russia border (total ******) if russia takes over Ukraine are they then a threat to NATO? as they will be on the border with Poland.
The only thing this war has shown is how badly prepared/equipped the russian armed forces are, just a shame about the nuclear weapons it has, one thing this war may do is force other countries to seek nuclear weapons to ensure their survival, maybe something Ukraine now regrets.