Rape gangs. Why does the Home Office minister not want a national public enquiry?

[blup]

A new piece of legislation can be made to protect homesexuals.

That's sorted then, what if it did the opposite?

 

[noseall]

A new piece of legislation can be made to protect homesexuals.

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And the (child) victims of abuse?

 

[MNW67]

Do you really think British courts would allow legislation that said, for example, it is completely legal to discriminate in any form against homos sexuals?

You are cluless about the way the unwritten constitution works.

I would like to know more about this. If we remove the HRA and we also left the ECHR, how would courts stop a new law, passed by Parliament, which made discrimination legal again?

 

[ellal]

Mottie doesn’t care about solving grooming gangs or justice for victims….he just wants more inflammatory language to incite hatred.

Yep, that just about sums up the forum troll !

 

[blup]

I would like to know more about this. If we remove the HRA and we also left the ECHR, how would courts stop a new law, passed by Parliament, which made discrimination legal again?

The US Supreme Court does it all the time when eejits like Trumpf try break the constitution.

As I understand it, the courts have the power to develop new laws or rather state what the law is. Murder isn't in any legislation, it was created by the courts as an offence. Likewise the law that said a man couldn't ra pe his wife in marriage was declared illegal by the courts, not by legislation. I would hazard a guess that the courts would say it is illegal to discriminate against somebody on the grounds of their race or sexua l orientation.

Think of the Miller case where she succeeded in getting the courts to declare that parliament had to pass legislation to leave the EU. Parliament was too thick to understand it needed to pass an act of parliament to implement the will of the people. Imagine what our country would be like if the thoughts of borris johnson just became law.

 

[MNW67]

The US Supreme Court does it all the time when eejits like Trumpf try break the constitution.

As I understand it, the courts have the power to develop new laws or rather state what the law is. Murder isn't in any legislation, it was created by the courts as an offence. Likewise the law that said a man couldn't ra pe his wife in marriage was declared illegal by the courts, not by legislation. I would hazard a guess that the courts would say it is illegal to discriminate against somebody on the grounds of their race or sexua l orientation.

Think of the Miller case where she succeeded in getting the courts to declare that parliament had to pass legislation to leave the EU. Parliament was too thick to understand it needed to pass an act of parliament to implement the will of the people. Imagine what our country would be like if the thoughts of borris johnson just became law.

My (very basic) understanding is that Parliament is sovereign, except in cases where we are subject to international treaties and agreements. So, in theory, if we opt out of these, the government is free to revoke any existing protections against discrimination and pass laws making it legal again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty#History

The doctrine of parliamentary supremacy may be summarized in three points:

• Parliament can make laws concerning anything.
• No parliament can bind a future parliament (that is, it cannot pass a law that cannot be changed or reversed by a future parliament).
• A valid Act of Parliament cannot be questioned by the court. Parliament is the supreme lawmaker.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It is clear men use it to get away with their heinous crimes, so we'll work to get rid of it as it is clearly being abused.

He is telling you lies and you lap it up.

Exactly what do you want a new enquiry to actually do ?

 

[Mottie]

It has been dealt with Mottie, FFS.

I must have missed it. Who accepted responsibility for it and resigned then?

 

[MNW67]

Who accepted responsibility for it and resigned then?

Is that the only test of the success of an inquiry?

 

[noseall]

I must have missed it.

2010: 11 men, predominantly of an Asian background, are convicted of offences connected with the sexual exploitation of children in Derbyshire.

2011: Times journalist Andrew Norfolk starts receiving tip-offs about child sexual exploitation by predominantly Asian men in Rotherham. It was his insistence on pursuing the story, despite being called racist and concerns the far-right would latch on to it, that eventually led to a national inquiry.

2011: A girl abused by a grooming gang in Huddersfield writes a letter to a judge about the abuse she had suffered. It was not until 2013 that another victim came forward to police to make formal allegations, then dozens of girls and men were interviewed over the next three years. Victims and their families said they repeatedly told police and authorities but nothing happened.

2011: Operation Bullfinch is launched by the police and council in Oxford to look into a child sex abuse ring in the city. The first convictions are secured in May 2013, then 2015, 2016, 2019 and 2020.

May 2012: The first grooming gangs convictions of men from Rochdale and Oldham see nine found guilty of being part of a child sexual exploitation ring run out of two takeaways in Greater Manchester since 2008. A further five from the Rochdale area were jailed the following year.

May 2013: Seven men have been jailed, it emerges, at the conclusion of child sex abuse trials relating to offences in the Telford area.


2014: 13 men are convicted of the sexual exploitation of children in Bristol at the conclusion of Operation Brooke.

2017: A total of 29 men from a Huddersfield grooming gang are charged but a reporting restriction prevents media from reporting on the case to avoid prejudicing other cases. The ban was criticised by far-right groups, with Tommy Robinson - also known as Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - jailed for 13 months (later reduced to nine months) after admitting contempt for filming outside a court during the trial.

2018: Twenty men, mainly of Pakistani origin, who were part of the Huddersfield child sex abuse ring are convicted of 120 rape and abuse offences against 15 girls, and sentenced to a total of 221 years.

Three separate trials had to be held as there were so many of them. More men have been convicted since then, bringing the total number to 41 by August 2021.

2023: A Grooming Gangs Taskforce is set up by Rishi Sunak's government, with qualified officers from all 43 police forces in England and Wales, and data analysts. In May 2024, 550 suspects had been arrested and 4,000 victims identified.

2023: Nine further men are charged with sexual offences in Rotherham under Operation Stovewood. Most of the offences took place between 2003 and 2008.

2024: Operation Stovewood sees 11 more men from Rotherham convicted for the abuse of vulnerable girls.

 

[noseall]

I must have missed it.

Rotherham Council's chief executive, its director of children's services, as well as the Police and Crime Commissioner for South Yorkshire Police all resigned.

 

[noseall]

I must have missed it.

2010	Razwan Razaq	30	Sexual activity with a child	11 years[49]
2010	Umar Razaq	24	Sexual activity with a child	4 years, 6 months (later reduced on appeal)
2010	Zafran Ramzan	21	Rape, sexual activity with a child	9 years
2010	Mohsin Khan	21	Sexual activity with a child	4 years
2010	Adil Hussain	20	Sexual activity with a child	4 years
2016	Qurban Ali	53	Conspiracy to rape	10 years
2016	Arshid Hussain	40	Rape, indecent assault (23 charges)	35 years
2016	Basharat Hussain	39	Rape (15 charges)	25 years
2016	Bannaras Hussain	36	Rape, indecent assault, actual bodily harm (10 charges)	19 years
2016	Karen MacGregor	58	False imprisonment, conspiracy to procure prostitutes	13 years
2016	Shelley Davies	40	False imprisonment, conspiracy to procure prostitutes	18 months suspended
2016	Sageer Hussain	30	4 rapes, indecent assault	19 years[50]
2016	Basharat Hussain	40	Indecent assault	7 years
2016	Ishtiaq Khaliq	33	Rape, three indecent assaults	17 years
2016	Masoued Malik	32	Rape, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit indecent assault	15 years
2016	Waleed Ali	34	Rape, indecent assault	13 years
2016	Asif Ali	30	Rape	12 years
2016	Naeem Rafiq	33	Conspiracy to commit indecent assault, false imprisonment	8 years
2016	Mohammed Whied	32	Aiding and abetting rape	5 years
2017	Basharat Dad	32	Rape, indecent assault, and false imprisonment	20 years
2017	Nasser Dad	36	Rape, false imprisonment, inciting gross indecency with a child	14 years, 6 months
2017	Tayab Dad	34	Rape	10 years
2017	Mohammed Sadiq	41	Sexual intercourse with a girl under 13	13 years
2017	Matloob Hussain	42	Sexual intercourse with a girl under 13	13 years
2017	Amjad Ali	36	Sexual intercourse with a girl under 13	11 years
2017	Zalgai Ahmadi	45	Conspiracy to commit sexual assault and false imprisonment	9 years, 6 months
2017	Sajid Ali	38	Seven counts of indecent assault	7 years, 6 months
2017	Zaheer Iqbal	40	Five counts of indecent assault	7 years, 6 months
2017	Riaz Makhmood	39	Three counts of indecent assault	6 years, 9 months
2018	Asghar Bostan	47	One count of rape	9 years
2018	Tony Chapman	42	Seventeen child sexual abuse offences	25 years
2018	Khurram Javed	35	One count of sexual assault	2 years
2018	Darren Hyett	55	One count of sexual activity with a child	9 years
2019	Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar	37	One count of rape, one count of aiding and abetting rape, three counts of indecent assault, one count of procuring a girl under 21 to have unlawful sexual intercourse with another and count of sexual assault	23 years
2018	Nabeel Kurshid	39	Two counts of rape and one count of sexual assault	19 years
2018	Iqlak Yousaf	34	Two counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault	20 years
2018	Tanweer Ali	37	Two counts of rape, two counts of indecent assault and one count of false imprisonment	14 years
2018	Salah Ahmed El-Hakam	39	One count of rape	15 years
2018	Asif Ali	33	Two counts of indecent assaults	10 years
2018	Unnamed Man	Unknown	Two counts of rape	unknown
2019	Aftab Hussain	40	Two counts of indecent assault	24 years
2019	Abid Saddiq	38	Two counts of rape, four counts of indecent assault and two counts of child abduction	20 years
2019	Masaued Malik	35	Three counts of indecent assault	5 years
2019	Sharaz Hussain	35	Four counts of indecent assault	4 years
2019	Mohammed Ashen	35	Three counts of indecent assault	18 years
2019	Waseem Khaliq	35	Two counts of child abduction, three counts of witness intimidation and indecent assault	13 years 9 months
2019	Unnamed Man	unknown	Two counts of indecent assault	unknown
2023	Neil Cawton	68	Four counts of sexual activity with a child, four counts of engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child, one count of assault of a child under 13 by penetration	10 years
2023	Ishtiaq Khaliq	40	One count of Indecent assault, one count of theft	2 years
2023	Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar	42	Two counts of rape, two counts of indecent assault	12 years
2024	David Saynor	77	18 sexual offences against eight victims	24 years
2024	Adam Ali	43	Four counts of rape, three counts of sexual assault	13 years
2024	Neil King	51	17 offences against a girl	21 years
2024	Mohammed Amar	42	Two counts of indecent assault on a girl aged 11	14 years
2024	Mohammed Siyab	44	Two counts of rape and trafficking for sexual exploitation	24 years
2024	Mohammed Zameer Sadiq	49	Unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 13 and rape	15 years
2024	Ramin Bari	37	Four counts of rape	9 years
2024	Tahir Yassin	38	Eight counts of rape	13 years
2024	Yasser Ajaibe	39	Indecent assault of a girl aged 11	6 years
2024	Waleed Ali	42	Rape of a girl aged 14	5 years
2024	Shahid Hussain	48	Indecent assault against girl aged 14	8 years and deportation

 

[Mottie]

You‘ve all seen examples of Asian grooming gangs that were not prosecuted due to fears about their race but I’m still waiting for the faithfuls (Nosey, Notch, Ellal, JohnD, carman, Brig) to give me examples of any white grooming gangs or individuals that were not prosecuted because of fears about their race. All JohnD has come up with was Cyril Smith. Fat nonces who are part of the establishment were not a race the last time I looked.

 

[Mottie]

Is that the only test of the success of an inquiry?

It’s one of them. A pretty important one in my mind.

 

[noseall]

I must have missed it.

The Jay report prompted the resignations of Roger Stone, Labour leader of Rotherham Council, and Martin Kimber, its chief executive