To all those that welcome/encourage the small boat migrants.

[denso13]

Ah, long game to deal with the boat deaths.

Longer than a week.

 

[Andydevon]

From the BBC looking at 12 key areas of the Labour manifesto.

A new Border and Security Command for the UK​

Dominic Casciani
Home and Legal Correspondent
@BBCDomC

Labour says it will immediately scrap the Rwanda scheme - which is intended to deter people arriving across the Channel on small boats - and divert £75m from it to a new Border and Security Command. This appears to be achievable because there is already more cash set aside for Rwanda (at least £541m over five years) than Labour says its new command will cost to set up. The money would come on top of existing Home Office funding for immigration enforcement.
Will it make a difference or is it just a rebranding? Sir Keir argues that he wants to give investigators counter terrorism-like powers to monitor and restrict the activities of smuggling suspects. That would be new.
There are major challenges. It could take years to yield results and Labour may also face a tough time from Brussels and Paris over new deals on combating smuggling.

 

[Mottie]

So it wasn't legally thought through?

It was but it was challenged. Are you saying that all failed prosecutions are not legally thought through as well?

 

[Mottie]

Longer than a week.

So between a week and 50 years to get this sorted? The country will sink with the weight of them by then.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So between a week and 50 years to get this sorted? The country will sink with the weight of them by then.

So. Blame the Tories.

 

[Mottie]

So. Blame the Tories.

Tories are out, Labour are in. Buck stops with them now.

 

[denso13]

Buck stops with them now.

Yes. If they don't perform then don't vote for them next time...

 

[Mottie]

Yes. If they don't perform then don't vote for them next time...

Oh, people will, do t worry about that.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Tories are out, Labour are in. Buck stops with them now.

Pity you didn't think the same when the Tories were in.

Just makes you look desperate.

 

[motorbiking]

Tory Government's policy of ignoring it? Absolutely

Please provide a link to that policy or manifesto pledge, I don't recall reading it.

 

[noseall]

Wouldn’t have been a clusterfùck had it gone through.

If the Rwanda clusterfúck didn't get butt-fúcked in court today, it would get butt-fúcked in court another day. It's better to test the legalities of any proposal before it goes too far down the hole.

 

[motorbiking]

its not detecting them that is the problem its dete

From the BBC looking at 12 key areas of the Labour manifesto.

A new Border and Security Command for the UK​

Dominic Casciani
Home and Legal Correspondent
@BBCDomC

Labour says it will immediately scrap the Rwanda scheme - which is intended to deter people arriving across the Channel on small boats - and divert £75m from it to a new Border and Security Command. This appears to be achievable because there is already more cash set aside for Rwanda (at least £541m over five years) than Labour says its new command will cost to set up. The money would come on top of existing Home Office funding for immigration enforcement.
Will it make a difference or is it just a rebranding? Sir Keir argues that he wants to give investigators counter terrorism-like powers to monitor and restrict the activities of smuggling suspects. That would be new.
There are major challenges. It could take years to yield results and Labour may also face a tough time from Brussels and Paris over new deals on combating smuggling.

I thought Kier said he was cracking on from day one?

I can't see how a special task force is going to make any difference.

We already have high tech drones and radar to track pretty much every crossing.
Border force already have more powers than any police officer.
The smuggling gangs operate in Turkey, France and Albania, No special task force is going to have power to operate there.

4 things seem to work:
- Denying those who arrive illegally any right to claim asylum or leave to remain
- The threat of remote processing or getting sent to a less desirable 3rd country
- Physically deterring departure via interception and push back.
- Long sentences for those who helm the vessel

4 things seem to encourage them:
- Near certain rescue and taxing to the UK if you run in to problems. The RNLI are usually called out and are first on scene even in French waters
- Knowing that you will probably never get sent back
- Having the French turn a blind eye
- having "charities", fund your legal costs.

The only thing the previous government wasn't doing is push back or take back.

 

[motorbiking]

If the Rwanda clusterfúck didn't get butt-fúcked in court today, it would get butt-fúcked in court another day. It's better to test the legalities of any proposal before it goes too far down the hole.

How do you think it was going to get "butt-****ed"?

It was slowly progressing through the legal process and was having a deterrent on illegal immigrants.

 

[noseall]

How do you think it was going to get "butt-****ed"?

The failed Rwanda scheme has been butt fúcked since it's conception. It's never had a successful day in court.

was having a deterrent on illegal immigrants.

Lol.

 

[motorbiking]

Why were they all heading or Dublin then?