Tory Leadership Race

[ajohn]

2. They should be helped to develop more valuable skills so they can earn more.

Yet jobs are needed to take up the skills that are available. All can achieve a 1st Class Honours of course. All can get an apprenticeship - far from the truth.

Yet another example of you being a bit dumb.

Labour do have plans concerning skills needed - jobs that need to be done.

 

[Notch7]

The first sentence doesn’t say anything other than there are many contributing factors one of which is low pay. Well that’s kinda obvious. The issue is what causes the low pay. Low skill, commodity skill, low business value etc.

There are two ways to look at this:

1. They should be paid more because they can’t live on their wages.

2. They should be helped to develop more valuable skills so they can earn more.

I like 2, you like 1. We won’t agree

So your solution is for everybody doing jobs that are low paid should be retrained to do more valuable work

So what happens to the millions of jobs that they have left? ..........if you want it left to market forces then employers will have to offer more money to recruit. So why not pay them the correct amount now?

There are two ways to look at this:

1. They should be paid more because they can’t live on their wages.

but wages have stagnated

why has the wages of the CEOs and top managers massively increased but wages for the low paid stagnated?

 

[motorbiking]

Yet jobs are needed to take up the skills that are available.

You don't think there are vacancies for jobs that require more skill? By definition the jobs which pay more require skills in higher demand.

All can achieve a 1st Class Honours of course. All can get an apprenticeship - far from the truth.

Yet another example of you being a bit dumb.

Do you have a first class Honour Degree?

 

[blup]

The first sentence doesn’t say anything other than there are many contributing factors one of which is low pay. Well that’s kinda obvious. The issue is what causes the low pay. Low skill, commodity skill, low business value etc.

There are two ways to look at this:

1. They should be paid more because they can’t live on their wages.

2. They should be helped to develop more valuable skills so they can earn more.

I like 2, you like 1. We won’t agree

There is some truth in that at an individual level, people can develop better skills and better pay, often a good route to that is self employment. But people in care homes still need someone on low pay to wipe their arse.

 

[motorbiking]

What do you think would happen to a job's pay if nobody applied, but it was essential?

1, they'd import workers - as is often the case in the care sector
2, they'd pay more or structure the job better to attract people.

 

[ajohn]

Do you have a first class Honour Degree?

No. company and college trained which takes longer and covers more areas. Collages eventually started dishing out degrees. I'm a poor old with distinction.

 

[motorbiking]

ah it was your normal Yoda grammar that confused me. I thought you were suggesting everyone can get a 1st class honours degree.

You understand that a person on minimum wage, can probably do things to develop their skills so they are not on minimum wage, without getting a 1st class honours degree?

ONC/HNCs are 1 year full time or 2 years part time. I'm not aware that you can do an honours degree in less time than that.

 

[fillyboy]

I see Cleverly is now considered the front runner.

 

[motorbiking]

Good job. I like his "be more normal" mantra.

 

[noseall]

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I see Cleverly is now considered the front runner.

Is that the fella you said the opposition fear the most? Or was that just another fact free filly joke?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The first sentence doesn’t say anything other than there are many contributing factors one of which is low pay. Well that’s kinda obvious. The issue is what causes the low pay. Low skill, commodity skill, low business value etc.

There are two ways to look at this:

1. They should be paid more because they can’t live on their wages.

2. They should be helped to develop more valuable skills so they can earn more.

I like 2, you like 1. We won’t agree

So who should do the basic jobs on low pay ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You don't think there are vacancies for jobs that require more skill? By definition the jobs which pay more require skills in higher demand.

So who will do the jobs they leave to get the better jobs? The problem will still exist.

Do you have a first class Honour Degree?

Irrelevant.

Most people, with or without a degree, can see the hole in your argument

 

[motorbiking]

So who should do the basic jobs on low pay ?

Imagine you are an employer of people. You post an advert for a job. Nobody applies. You are sure its well advertised, yet still nobody applies.

What will you do to fill your vacancy? I promise you don't need a 1st class honours degree to work it out.

 

[motorbiking]

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Is that the fella you said the opposition fear the most? Or was that just another fact free filly joke?

do you mean the government?

 

[fillyboy]

do you mean the government?

He'll have to go away and think about that.