Trump has said he wants to drop sanctions against Russia and NK

he doesn't take charge until Jan 20th next year - he may well pre arrange a deal that will take place on that day

poor Zelensky, poor Ukraine. they deserve better
The EU bears a lot of responsibility for the Ukraine tragedy.
 
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Trump is no Reagan and Putin definitely isn't a Gorbachev. Unfortunately.
But the Trumpy one takes a lot from the Reagan years - Make America Great (Again) for starters - he has the same disregard for detail, too. At the start of the Reagan administration in1981, a previous amendment to defence spending was left over from the Carter defence budget, increasing military spending year on year up to %66 by the end of the 80s. When Reagan was asked to intervene he left it to his officials. Reagan went mad but Trump is already there.
 
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Pushed back to the status of the day before "the special military operation".
I don't believe that this would trigger WW3.
What do they need? What should we be giving them, that they don’t currently have? What would Russia do about it if we provided it?
 
What do they need? What should we be giving them, that they don’t currently have? What would Russia do about it if we provided it?
The West could provide long range missiles like Tomahawks Ukraine could then take out Russian missile sites.

Russia would do nothing about it, they can’t. If Putin started Nukes that would be the end of Putin, so it’s just empty threats.
 
oh give up with your pathetic Putin apologist bolox.

Putin invaded Ukraine because he wanted to, stop making excuses
The EU light the fire in Ukraine.
EU politicians openly incited the overthrow of a democratically elected government and now Ukraine is in ruins.
 
The West could provide long range missiles like Tomahawks Ukraine could then take out Russian missile sites.

Russia would do nothing about it, they can’t. If Putin started Nukes that would be the end of Putin, so it’s just empty threats.
So it’s a bluff that they won’t escalate.
 
Trump and wars. I feel there is an element of wait and see. Saying and doing are 2 different things. On the other hand many policy steering decisions are made by specialist advisors in all major countries. Trump it seems does not like any that disagree with him or even question his aims.

Ukraine. One UN member law is not to supply arms to any country to attack another UN country which Russia is. Weapon range on the stuff supplied has often cropped up. Latest comment has been Ukraine is doing well with it's home made drones at longer ranges so help them produce them. Is this down to this law or not? Pass. The nature of the war has to be considered as well. It's essentially a proxy one as far as the west is concerned. Biden's lot's aims were stated. Weaken Russia to the extent that it wont do similar again. Russia attacking a NATO country is an entirely different ball game. Or should be. It could result in a full scale war against Russia. Their MAD rules are pretty simple - signs of the end of their state and they get used.

It's all so simple isn't it. Kicked off by a civil war where the west would not supply any kit at all.
 
Russia would do nothing about it, they can’t. If Putin started Nukes that would be the end of Putin, so it’s just empty threats
Europe is more vulnerable to nuclear attack than Russia.
Nuclear bombs are terror weapons, Europe is densely populated and highly centralised, what effect do you think nuclear bombs would have on large population centres, if for example, a nuclear bomb exploded in a reservoir supplying millions of people with water, that water would be undrinkable.

Why did the Americans choose to attack civilian targets with nuclear bombs in WW2 rather than military targets.
 
The West could provide long range missiles like Tomahawks Ukraine could then take out Russian missile sites.

Russia would do nothing about it, they can’t. If Putin started Nukes that would be the end of Putin, so it’s just empty threats.
If Putin was backed into a corner with no escape, and it was obviously the end for him, just defeat and deep humiliation lay ahead? Bears in corners!

as I have said before, I am all for arming Ukraine with all they need, and I would allow them to attack targets deep inside Russia, I would love to see Putin put down and destroyed - but I also accept that could be a very dangerous thing to do.
 
The EU light the fire in Ukraine.
no they did not

Ukraine wanted to be a modern democracy and be part of the EU, thats whats its citizens wanted........but Putin shat himself at the thought of Ukraine becoming far more wealthy and successful than Russia (just like Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic etc have become).

Ukraine has been a sovereign country since 1991, it as the right to self determination...........its hilarious how you wanted brexit for UK to "get back sovereignty" but you dont want Ukraine to have the same
 
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