Trump has said he wants to drop sanctions against Russia and NK

[Notch7]

If Putin was backed into a corner with no escape, and it was obviously the end for him, just defeat and deep humiliation lay ahead? Bears in corners!

as I have said before, I am all for arming Ukraine with all they need, and I would allow them to attack targets deep inside Russia, I would love to see Putin put down and destroyed - but I also accept that could be a very dangerous thing to do.

If the West had been strong at the beginning this would never have happened

mind you if UK and EU countries hadnt gorged themselves on cheap Russian oil and Oligarch money, Putin wouldnt have been able to build such a large war chest. Lets not forget Tory party took millions from Oligarchs, Germany bough huge amounts of cheap Russian gas..........the West only has itself to blame and Ukraine bore the brunt

 

[Brigadier]

You seemed to think they had a route to a win.

You asked me a question about (not) triggering WW3..................

 

[motorbiking]

So if they somehow magically managed this it would not trigger ww3. Yes I can agree.
But the important bit is how they can do this.

 

[Notch7]

So it’s a bluff that they won’t escalate.

It’s a bluff Putin will escalate

Perhaps he won’t as his best buddy Trump is going to give Ukraine to him on a plate.

Trump owes Putin for saving his bankrupt business

 

[Notch7]

But the important bit is how they can do this

If Ukraine are given the weapons they will beat Russia

 

[Nwgs2]

If Ukraine are given the weapons they will beat Russia

Trump will end the money laundering war asap.

 

[Vinty]

Ukraine has been a sovereign country since 1991, it as the right to self determination..

The irony is that Ukraine is fighting to defend borders that were created by the enemy it is at war with.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The irony is that Ukraine is fighting to defend borders that were created by the enemy it is at war with.

Doesn't give Russia the right to walk over them and invade

 

[Vinty]

Doesn't give Russia the right to walk over them and invade

It shows that Ukraine is an artificial state created by the Soviet Union for imperial purposes.

As part of the Soviet empire Ukraine was a viable state, once the empire collapsed,the different ethnicities that were forced to live together by the Russians began to assert their own rights to self determination.

 

[Notch7]

It shows that Ukraine is an artificial state created by the Soviet Union for imperial purposes

What nonsense

Russians began to assert their own rights to self determination

That’s a lie.

The people of Ukraine do not want to be part of Russia.



Vinty you repeatedly post Putin propaganda….

 

[Vinty]

The people of Ukraine do not want to be part of Russia.

Who are the people of Ukraine.
Why aren't the different ethnicities allowed the right to self determination.
Why not redraw the borders to allow those who want to be part of the EU to exercise that right, while those who don't can pursue their own right of self determination.

 

[Notch7]

Who are the people of Ukraine.
Why aren't the different ethnicities allowed the right to self determination

The best evidence shows the people of Ukraine do not want be part of Russia.

The claim that Putin was rescuing them is pure propaganda

Why not redraw the borders to allow those who want to be part of the EU to exercise that right, while those who don't can pursue their own right of self determination

The people of Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, so using your argument, NI should stay in the EU.

By the way there’s no evidence people in Donbas wanted to be part of an extremely poor and brutal,Russian dictatorship

 

[Munroast]

There was a good book I read some years ago called the Grey Bees by Andrey Kurkov (worth reading). It was set in Eastern Ukraine and was wrote before the latest conflict began - There are areas in the far east that lean to moscow (god knows why but they do)

May be if it brought an end to this terrible conflict russia could annex some of it - but it would have to be on the understanding the rest of the Ukraine 95% of it) join the EU and NATO, and NATO still backed by the US build an enormous base there.


I would love Zelensky to be given everything he needs, including long range stuff that could seriously hurt Russia, I would happily pay more taxes, but unfortunately that is not going to happen now Trump is in charge, unfortunately a deal be done.

 

[securespark]

Russia would do nothing about it, they can’t. If Putin started Nukes that would be the end of Putin, so it’s just empty threats.

I thought right at the beginning of the war when Putin literally stared down the camera and said he was going to invade UKR and no one had better try and stop him that we should have done something.

But everyone was too scared.

 

[Odds]

The Wall Street Journal reported this week that one idea floated by the Trump team is to freeze the frontlines in their current place and force Kyiv to give up any talk of Ukraine’s Nato membership for 20 years. In return, the US would continue to provide Ukraine with weapons, to deter further Russian attacks, the newspaper reported, citing “people close to the president-elect”. @ the Guardian

Trump would sell Ukraine out and hand over the Donbass and Luhansk regions in return for the Nobel Peace prize he desperately craves.