Trump Re Ukraine

[Notch7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1893043822600323583

Here's something we can all agree on.

Yes we can all agree that Trump is a thin skinned manchild who has a tantrum if he doesn’t get his way.

 

[Munroast]

Rumour is; along with all Putin will get from this deal with Trump (the land he has already taken) , it will be made clear to putin that if he back tracks on anything, then the Ukraine will become immediate members of NATO, and considering the US will have a very big interest in mining Ukraines minerals, Putin will be very unlikely to step out of line. And how could Putin reasonably object to such a deal, he has gained the Russian sympathising and speaking part of Ukraine, and Ukraine have not joined NATO. But Trump will have put him back inside his nasty little box, Ukraine will be soverign of its own lands, and the US gets its money back

I'm thinking this may not be the worst outcome at all - what do you think ?

And the rub for europe is, we have to up our military spending, and we will probably have to spend that money in the USA

Trump will have done an amazing deal for his country - and I guess that is what he is there to do!

 

[Lirefighter]

I agree Trumps endless BS does do that

Yep, they love it.

 

[blup]

Rumour is; along with all Putin will get from this deal with Trump (the land he has already taken) , it will be made clear to putin that if he back tracks on anything, then the Ukraine will become immediate members of NATO,

That requires Nato’s agreement not trumpf's. Europe is unlikely to agree that a russsian attack on US mineral interests is worth to going to war for, especially given how trumpf has torn up the alliance.

and considering the US will have a very big interest in mining Ukraines minerals, Putin will be very unlikely to step out of line.

Poootin has no interest in a deal that may see Ukrane joining nato to protect the usa’s supply of rare earth elements

And how could Putin reasonably object to such a deal, he has gained the Russian sympathising and speaking part of Ukraine, and Ukraine have not joined NATO.

He wont gain any land unless ukrane agrees to cede it.

But Trump will have put him back inside his nasty little box, Ukraine will be soverign of its own lands, and the US gets its money back

I'm thinking this may not be the worst outcome at all - what do you think ?

Its the worst deal for them because pootin will have political sovereignty over part of the country and America will have economic sovereignty over the rest. It makes the EU look like a parish council.

And the rub for europe is, we have to up our military spending, and we will probably have to spend that money in the USA

Trump will have done an amazing deal for his country - and I guess that is what he is there to do!

Trumpf is reliving the days of tne british empire when we used to just go in and help ourselves. People say that is in tne past, but trumpf’s actions show that an empire building attitude is alive and kicking.

 

[Munroast]

That requires Nato’s agreement not trumpf's. Europe is unlikely to agree that a russsian attack on US mineral interests is worth to going to war for, especially given how trumpf has torn up the alliance.

Poootin has no interest in a deal that may see Ukrane joining nato to protect the usa’s supply of rare earth elements

He wont gain any land unless ukrane agrees to cede it.

Its the worst deal for them because pootin will have political sovereignty over part of the country and America will have economic sovereignty over the rest. It makes the EU look like a parish council.

Trumpf is reliving the days of tne british empire when we used to just go in and help ourselves. People say that is in tne past, but trumpf’s actions show that an empire building attitude is alive and kicking.

NATO will do as Trump bids - or he will take his big stick away

I think Pootin is very worried about Ukraine joining NATO

Ukraine is getting a choice, loose the entire country or loose the bits that would rather be Russian

Sadly the EU does look like a Parish Council - remember trump i there for America

And even more sadly you're last paragraph is correct

 

[fillyboy]

hat requires Nato’s agreement not trumpf's. Europe is unlikely to agree that a russsian attack on US mineral interests is worth to going to war for, especially given how trumpf has torn up the alliance.

Trump/USA is NATO. What Europe thinks is worth the effort is irrelevant, it really is as simple as that, I wish it wasn't, but it is.

Poootin has no interest in a deal that may see Ukrane joining nato to protect the usa’s supply of rare earth elements

Putin won't agree a peace deal that sees Ukraine joining NATO, the question is, would he agree to a deal that affords Ukraine immediate membership of NATO if Russia chooses to invade again.

He wont gain any land unless ukrane agrees to cede it.

Ukraine aren't really holding the winning hand here are they, unless this EU army we've heard so much about appear in the next few weeks and destroy Russia, they are defeated.

Its the worst deal for them because pootin will have political sovereignty over part of the country and America will have economic sovereignty over the rest. It makes the EU look like a parish council.

Putin will gain a small piece of land, America will profit from some mining concessions (it it weren't them it would be China or someone else, Ukraine doesn't have the money to invest), and the EU looks like a parish council, because geopolitically, it is a parish council.

Trumpf is reliving the days of tne british empire when we used to just go in and help ourselves. People say that is in tne past, but trumpf’s actions show that an empire building attitude is alive and kicking.

And WTF do you think China is doing.

You're making the mistake many do on here, that Trump is a fool, he isn't.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Will the US now instigate a permanent military presence in Ukraine do you think?

Obviously Ukraine are getting US protection out of this deal, but will Putin agree to US forces being stationed in the country, is what I meant.

 

[MNW67]

Rumour is; along with all Putin will get from this deal with Trump (the land he has already taken) , it will be made clear to putin that if he back tracks on anything, then the Ukraine will become immediate members of NATO

That is the bit which might have real teeth. Joining NATO is essentially what Zelensky has been after all along. It would have to be part of the peace treaty. With no wiggle room. Is it even enforceable, though. Is there a binding mechanism to allow immediate membership in future. It might not be worth the paper it is written on.

 

[blup]

Trump/USA is NATO. What Europe thinks is worth the effort is irrelevant, it really is as simple as that, I wish it wasn't, but it is.

Europe won’t fight Americas war over mineral rights, nato isn’t a private army

Putin won't agree a peace deal that sees Ukraine joining NATO, the question is, would he agree to a deal that affords Ukraine immediate membership of NATO if Russia chooses to invade again.

It amounts to the same thing

Ukraine aren't really holding the winning hand here are they, unless this EU army we've heard so much about appear in the next few weeks and destroy Russia, they are defeated.

It’s their country and they can carry on defending it

Putin will gain a small piece of land, America will profit from some mining concessions (it it weren't them it would be China or someone else, Ukraine doesn't have the money to invest), and the EU looks like a parish council, because geopolitically, it is a parish council.

The only parish council is the out of sight out of mind nimby mentality of Trumpf/Pootin apologists. How could the events in some far away part of Europe possibly affect us. Head in sand time. I genuinely feel sorry for Kieth having to deal with this bloke.

And WTF do you think China is doing.

Playing the long game, busy planning the economic domination of the world, plotting the invasion of Tiawan, looking to end the American empire. Meanwhile Trumpf is attacking his allies because the Ellon needs somewhere to process his lithium.

You're making the mistake many do on here, that Trump is a fool, he isn't.

He’s far more than that.

 

[Notch7]

I think you will find that this is going to be the opposit of what you are saying, why are you so against a peaceful resolve? Would you like to see WW3 become a reality?

A peace deal is not a peaceful resolve

All it would do is allow Putin to rebuild his military and then restart aggression, probably in Moldova and Baltic states





Putin is currently weak
The West have an opportunity now to really tighten the screws and get him out of


Russia has lost almost 50% of its refinery capability through Ukrainian attacks, exports of gas and oil are down, Putin needs a way out

 

[Notch7]

This whole war was brought about by Ukraine wanting to join NATO

That is completely untrue.

Stop framing Putin as the victim.

Democratic countries have a perfect right to vote to join NATO, Putin has no right to prevent neighbouring countries join a defence force because it upsets him.

Giver yer head a shake man

 

[Notch7]

THe way to a peaceful resolve in this, is indeed to give Putin a way out.

Not by surrendering

 

[crystal ball]

well this is a DIY forum and not the war cabinet

Just a point in history, quite important

 

[crystal ball]

The main point is covered, No to NATO membership, No to Russian missiles in Cuba.

No to US missiles in Turkey, which was the catalyst, very important

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Your views are too one sided to see the reality of this war, your resolve is Trump is a liar and you hate him, Putin is a brutal murderer and you hate him too. How could you see the reality of this with those views.

The facts don't change regardless of whether you like a person or not