Two Tier Keir Strikes Again

[Nwgs2]

 

[MNW67]

I am sure this will turn out to be some more false equivalency.

 

[IT Minion]

Emma McAteer

The 26-year-old was captured on CCTV throwing three missiles at police officers on Sussex Road. She then pushes through the crowd gathered outside Windsor minimart, enters the shop via a broken open shutter and steals items from the shelf. She is then seen carrying out stolen goods in her arms.

Ibrahim Mir

A 21-year-old man has avoided jail for his part in the anarchy that rained down on Hanley in the wake of the Southport fatal stabbings. Ibrahim Mir was wearing a balaclava when he was caught on CCTV holding a brick or similar object in his hand during the Hanley riot.

The footage captured in Town Road near his mosque showed him toss the item aside but not in the direction of any members of the public or police officers. He was then seen ‘running off’ with a group of males.

Yeah, those should get very different sentences. Hell, they're all light compared to the 2011 riots sentencing.

 

[gas112]

Emma McAteer



Ibrahim Mir

Yeah, those should get very different sentences. Hell, they're all light compared to the 2011 riots sentencing.

Yeah that must have been the first brick he had picked up all day.

 

[MNW67]

Yeah that must have been the first brick he had picked up all day.

Lame

 

[gas112]

Lame

If he was lame he would have struggled to run away after committing no offence

 

[denso13]

Emma McAteer



Ibrahim Mir

Yeah, those should get very different sentences. Hell, they're all light compared to the 2011 riots sentencing.

Stop it, the trolls can't handle facts.

 

[MNW67]

Stop it, the trolls can't handle facts.

False equivalency is one of the mainstays of right wing populism. Along with fake outrage. Just watch J D Vance. Who is a master at both.

 

[Sunshine32]

 

[MNW67]

That's a pretty good example of what I meant. Although it reminds me of a third factor. An egregious use of straw men.

 

[Sunshine32]

Above the Old Bailey sits a statue of Lady Justice.

She wears a blindfold, because justice must be blind to colour, religion or sex.

Those we entrust with dispensing justice would do well to remember that.

In 23 days time judges will be compelled to issue a pre-sentence…

— Robert Jenrick (@RobertJenrick) March 8, 2025

'Above the Old Bailey sits a statue of Lady Justice.

She wears a blindfold, because justice must be blind to colour, religion or sex.

Those we entrust with dispensing justice would do well to remember that.

In 23 days time judges will be compelled to issue a pre-sentence report – the first step to a non-custodial sentence – for women, transgender people, the neurodiverse, ethnic minorities and “faith minority communities”. This is an affront to the foundational principle of equality under the law that should outrage us all.

I have personally initiated legal proceedings to challenge the guidance on the grounds it is discriminatory. And if Labour don’t act fast, we will table amendments to the law.

But the problem goes well beyond this incident, as shocking as it is.

The Bar Standards Board, the body that regulates barristers, wants to introduce a positive duty to “act in a way that advances diversity, equality and inclusion”, enforceable by a disciplinary tribunal. The Board has made clear that being non-racist is not enough – Barristers must be positively “anti-racist” and eliminate “systems, structures and cultures which inhibit racial equality”.

The purposeful ambiguity of what “systems, structures and cultures” are at fault gives licence to freewheeling activists to put forward whatever barmy policy they want. In any other walk of life – and we see it time again elsewhere, such as in Civil Service – identity-based hiring would be unfair and wrong, but when justice is at stake it’s downright dangerous too.

The DEI agenda is disinterested in actually promoting equality. It’s oblivious to the radically different outcomes of different ethnic groups, instead lumping them together solely on the basis they aren’t white and affording them special status. It doesn’t help to advance the life chances of a child born in an impoverished broken home. It does nothing to break down class barriers or help rural communities which the evidence shows have poorer prospects.

There is no other explanation other than the fact DEI is a respectable Trojan horse for anti-white discrimination. The same people who believe that white people were uniquely evil in world history are seeking to punish their descendants by redistributing opportunities away from them. And this belief is so profound to their ideology that they are willing to pursue it at the expense of the integrity of British Justice.

Growing up in Wolverhampton in the 1980s, I saw racism up close and the pain it caused. Despite the progress we’ve made, there is more to do. The way to correct injustice is to treat people with equal dignity, not to attempt to engineer society with more discrimination.

Anti-white racism, as any other inversion of equality under the law, can have no place in our criminal justice system nor anywhere else in our society.'

 

[Justin Passing]

Right wing culture wars

The unintelligent falls for this nonsense, it’s why Trump ended up in power: he told fickos they would be better off……but they are worse off

You're at it again.
It wasn't "the fickos" who voted for trump, it was over half the country. Half that half might be brigher than you, more knowlegeable than you, more involved than you. You can't just sit in condemnation as though you're something special in a superior position to judge.
You aren't. FFS wind yer neck in a bit!

 

[Sunshine32]

Right wing culture wars

The unintelligent falls for this nonsense, it’s why Trump ended up in power: he told fickos they would be better off……but they are worse off

Identity politics is discriminatory.

Trump has nothing to do with our justice or sentencing system.

Trump has nothing to do with this thread's subject matter.

 

[Justin Passing]

Part of the whine and beatch culture is in the BBC, evidenced on Woman's' Hour. I'm not an avid listener, but it's quite often on when I just want something on. It used to be simply about things which happen to be particularly relevant to women. They're more than half the population, so that's not remarkable.
But recently it's about how terrible men are, how women are oppressed, how women need to be given more money, how the state works against women, how good it is to shut out men. It's toxic!

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Part of the whine and beatch culture is in the BBC, evidenced on Woman's' Hour. I'm not an avid listener, but it's quite often on when I just want something on. It used to be simply about things which happen to be particularly relevant to women. They're more than half the population, so that's not remarkable.
But recently it's about how terrible men are, how women are oppressed, how women need to be given more money, how the state works against women, how good it is to shut out men. It's toxic!

Don't dismiss the points too quickly.

There are some facts in there. A lot, or too much may be made of them at times, but they do stay as facts. Gender pay gap is real.