Two Tier Keir Strikes Again

[MNW67]

Why not contribute to the subject of the thread rather than being on the prickly side. I'm not up for an argument today, thank you.

Can we talk about Jenrick's tweet concerning DEI in general?

 

[Sunshine32]

Can we talk about Jenrick's tweet concerning DEI in general?

Well yeah because he is saying DEI is making its way into our judicial system, so it is totally relevant

 

[MNW67]

Well yeah because he is saying DEI is making its way into our judicial system, so it is totally relevant

I was interested in the way he framed some of his attack on DEI. It reminded me quite a bit of J D Vance. I wouldn't be surprised if they are close.

This was particularly interesting:

The DEI agenda is disinterested in actually promoting equality. It’s oblivious to the radically different outcomes of different ethnic groups, instead lumping them together solely on the basis they aren’t white and affording them special status.

He isn't denying that there is discrimination in the UK against ethnic minorities. More that DEI is a blunt tool to deal with it.

 

[Sunshine32]

I was interested in the way he framed some of his attack on DEI. It reminded me quite a bit of J D Vance. I wouldn't be surprised if they are close.

This was particularly interesting:



He isn't denying that there is discrimination in the UK against ethnic minorities. More that DEI is a blunt tool to deal with it.

I think this clinches it for me:

'Growing up in Wolverhampton in the 1980s, I saw racism up close and the pain it caused. Despite the progress we’ve made, there is more to do. The way to correct injustice is to treat people with equal dignity, not to attempt to engineer society with more discrimination.'

If the issue is prejudice within the psyche of individual judges, it is they that should be held up by their legal betters and probed. It is not to build tiers of judicial preferences based on skin colour, religion etc across our society.

 

[gas112]

I was correct, another idiotic post

yes your right the guy had absolutely no intention of throwing the brick at anything whatsoever before the police turned up he hadn`t thrown any other bricks etc before they turned up he was merely just looking at the said brick checking what sort of face it had on it . Before intending to replace it back onto the ground

 

[MNW67]

yes your right the guy had absolutely no intention of throwing the brick at anything whatsoever before the police turned up he hadn`t thrown any other bricks etc before they turned up he was merely just looking at the said brick checking what sort of face it had on it . Before intending to replace it back onto the ground

When comparing charges and sentences, though, all that matters are the facts before the court

 

[gas112]

When comparing charges and sentences, though, all that matters are the facts before the court

What have you never heard of the charge of intent to do bodily harm .

 

[MNW67]

What have you never heard of the charge of intent to do bodily harm .

Your comment is utterly unrelated to what I posted.

 

[MNW67]

What have you never heard of the charge of intent to do bodily harm .

But that aside, are you talking about GBH with intent?

 

[Sunshine32]

Sentencing Council doubles down.

The Sentencing Council's tone-deaf response to ‘two-tier justice’ criticism

The Sentencing Council – the organisation that advises judges – has hit back at criticism from the Justice Secretary

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[motorbiking]

Looks like they may have signed their own death warrant.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/20250310-Letter-from-Lord-Justice-William-Davis-to-Lord-Chancellor-on-Imposition-FOR-PUBLICATION.pdf

 

[Sunshine32]

Starmer tells cabinet ministers they should stop 'outsourcing' decisions to regulators and quangos​

Jonathan Hinder, the Labour MP who took a swipe at “unelected bodies” at the end of justice questions (see 12.44pm) was clearly on message. At cabinet this morning Keir Starmer told his ministers that the government should be taking more responsibility for decisions, and not outsourcing them to regulators.

In a readout of cabinet, the PM’s spokesperson said:

The prime minister then turned to the future of the state, ahead of his intervention on Thursday [when he is due to make an announcement on Whitehall reform]. He emphasised that recent global events had shown the pace at which the world is changing, and the impact that global insecurity has domestically. He said that to deliver security and renewal we must go further and faster to reform the state, to deliver a strong, agile and active state that delivers for working people. This included cabinet assessing processes and regulations that play no part in delivering the Plan for Change, and the government taking responsibility for decisions rather than outsourcing them to regulators and bodies as had become the trend under the previous government.

Asked which regulators Starmer was referring to when he suggested they had failed, the spokesperson declined to say. But he said Starmer thought the state had become “passive’.

Asked if the government was planning a “bonfire of the quangos”, the spokesperson said he would not get ahead of the announcement on Thursday. But he went on:

The state in Westminster has grown larger but it has not become more effective, and as [the PM] said in cabinet we have seen examples over time of government becoming more passive when it comes to decisions by outsourcing them to other bodies and to regulators rather than being accountable itself.
In order to deliver security and renewal, the prime minister’s clear belief is we need a strong state, and agile and active state, that does deliver for working people.

Starmer tells ministers they should stop ‘outsourcing’ decisions to quangos – UK politics live

PM’s spokesman says he told cabinet they should take responsibility for measures, unlike ‘trend under previous government’

www.theguardian.com

 

[MNW67]

Just get a Pre Sentence Report for everyone.

 

[motorbiking]

Just get a Pre Sentence Report for everyone.

or don't discriminate on race, religion or gender.

 

[MNW67]

or don't discriminate on race, religion or gender.

Discrimination in sentencing on the grounds of race actually happens. You can't just wish it away.