UK prisons and probation chief Michael Spurr

[HawkEye244]

All you have is hate and stupidity. Poor Hawk. No argument other than the one created in your fertile mind full of conspiracies.

Says you, sculking about. What's this your dozenth user account now ?

 

[HawkEye244]

To do what you suggest.....would take more prison officers and cost more money.

The rise in prisoner violence is due to reduction in staff levels and privatisation.

Why dont you think about the pragmatic solutions to prisoners. Rehabilitation could reduce overall cost of crime in and out of prison. It doesnt have to be based on whether the prisoner is getting punished.

The rate of re offending is appalling and the prison system id broken.

God forbid we adopt the inhuman legal prison system of the USA.

Guantanamo bay; what a terrible example of US injustice.

Odd that you consider public service NOT a form of rehabilitation when it absolutely is. If you'd like to see more skills training, that's always been a joke in this country, even for students prepared to pay. The US state prison system is private and profit-driven, prisoners are used as a form of slave labour. Is this worse than being celled up to 23 hours a day as happens here ?

Guantanamo bay is where they torture and interrogate terrorists. Would you rather these terrorists were allowed to intermingle with prisoners in larger populations where they are able to radicalise them? Are you aware that prisoners being radicalised in prison is quite common and a very serious problem? I suppose in your view the terrorist has a human right to practice their religion....

another hard left nut job...

 

[Notch7]

Odd that you consider public service NOT a form of rehabilitation when it absolutely is.

Where did I say that?

My point that you have conveniently ignored is that a pragmatic view on dealing with criminal justice means the focus should be on rehabilitation not punishment. And rehabilitation and problems in jails can only be solved by increasing spending money on the prison system. Privatisation of jails wknt do that.

What is your opinion of countries that imprison people without a fair trial. Like for example the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe held in Iran?

 

[JohnD]

Guantanamo bay is where they torture and interrogate …

people who have been imprisoned without trial for indefinite periods.

 

[SirGalahad]

Says you, sculking about. What's this your dozenth user account now ?

I only have one account. Mods can verify that.

Looks like your right wing nutter following is growing!

 

[SirGalahad]

Where did I say that?

My point that you have conveniently ignored is that a pragmatic view on dealing with criminal justice means the focus should be on rehabilitation not punishment. And rehabilitation and problems in jails can only be solved by increasing spending money on the prison system. Privatisation of jails wknt do that.

What is your opinion of countries that imprison people without a fair trial. Like for example the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe held in Iran?

Notch your now a tree huggin lefty (according to the resident nutters)

 

[Notch7]

Notch your now a tree huggin lefty (according to the resident nutters)

I though I was just attempting to put a pragmatic view, but apparently I am a hard left nut job.

Personally I think Guantanamo bay is an example of terrible human rights abuse.

It shows how a 1st world superpower that claims to rid the world of terror, is causing its own brand of terror.

And why does America have the largest incarceration rate in the world at 700 or /100,000 people. Does it have the lowest crime...Nah

 

[durhamplumber]

Where did I say that?

My point that you have conveniently ignored is that a pragmatic view on dealing with criminal justice means the focus should be on rehabilitation not punishment. And rehabilitation and problems in jails can only be solved by increasing spending money on the prison system. Privatisation of jails wknt do that.

What is your opinion of countries that imprison people without a fair trial. Like for example the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe held in Iran?

Fair..now there's the rub..political and legal minefield.

 

[durhamplumber]

I though I was just attempting to put a pragmatic view, but apparently I am a hard left nut job.

Personally I think Guantanamo bay is an example of terrible human rights abuse.

It shows how a 1st world superpower that claims to rid the world of terror, is causing its own brand of terror.

And why does America have the largest incarceration rate in the world at 700 or /100,000 people. Does it have the lowest crime...Nah

No...but it's sure good at bumping ppl off

 

[durhamplumber]

Notch your now a tree huggin lefty (according to the resident nutters)

If you take it to your logical conclusion everyone is a victim of there up bringing and should be free to wander..Shipman,Robert black,the West's,Peter Sutcliffe,the lot,all poor misunderstood individuals,,,living in a hostel near you!...pop in and visit!!!

 

[transam]

Way I see it some of these fruit cakes should not be imprisoned they should be compeled to carry out voluntary work for the betterment of society

They could carry out mine clearance in war zones just give em a set of snow shoes and ask them to go for a walk

Or take part in pain research for the NHS

 

[Notch7]

If you take it to your logical conclusion

Ahh.....the slippery slope argument

I understand that when a crime has been committed, prison is a punishment.

But the pragmatic view is that effort put into rehabilitation, if it can reduce reoffending, that is worth it.

An under funded prison system, with offenders locked up 23hrs a day and rife with drugs is no solution.

Then on release offenders often become no fixed abode and cant get a job. What route are they gonna take?

 

[durhamplumber]

Way I see it some of these fruit cakes should not be imprisoned they should be compeled to carry out voluntary work for the betterment of society

They could carry out mine clearance in war zones just give em a set of snow shoes and ask them to go for a walk

Or take part in pain research for the NHS

Top idea,,,Good Thinking,,but instead the govt wants to give them all a mobile phone!...or drug order hotline!

 

[durhamplumber]

Ahh.....the slippery slope argument

I understand that when a crime has been committed, prison is a punishment.

But the pragmatic view is that effort put into rehabilitation, if it can reduce reoffending, that is worth it.

An under funded prison system, with offenders locked up 23hrs a day and rife with drugs is no solution.

Then on release offenders often become no fixed abode and cant get a job. What route are they gonna take?

Would like to see how far your pragmatism and sympathy extends when a car thief kills your family or robs your mother and rapes her,,,,you going to visit,pat him on the head and have him live with you?

 

[durhamplumber]

Where did I say that?

My point that you have conveniently ignored is that a pragmatic view on dealing with criminal justice means the focus should be on rehabilitation not punishment. And rehabilitation and problems in jails can only be solved by increasing spending money on the prison system. Privatisation of jails wknt do that.

What is your opinion of countries that imprison people without a fair trial. Like for example the case of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe held in Iran?

Were you sat in the trial then?and an unbiased legal expert on foreign legal systems?...