UK prisons and probation chief Michael Spurr

[Notch7]

Were you sat in the trial then?and an unbiased legal expert on foreign legal systems?...

I think youve missed the post stream:

My response of 'where did I say that', was in reply to this:

'Odd that you consider public service NOT a form of rehabilitation when it absolutely is.'

If you are talking about the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe case, then she did not receive a fair trial:

She was found guilty of these charges at a trial in September 2016. The trial didn’t meet international standards for a fair trial, and Nazanin wasn’t allowed to see a lawyer until three days before she went to court. Her husband says that Nazanin has never officially told what she’s been charged with.

It doesnt matter about the foreign legal process, the trial did not meet the international standards for a fair trial

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-uk-woman-iran-prison-mother-facts

 

[durhamplumber]

To do what you suggest.....would take more prison officers and cost more money.

The rise in prisoner violence is due to reduction in staff levels and privatisation.

Why dont you think about the pragmatic solutions to prisoners. Rehabilitation could reduce overall cost of crime in and out of prison. It doesnt have to be based on whether the prisoner is getting punished.

The rate of re offending is appalling and the prison system id broken.

God forbid we adopt the inhuman legal prison system of the USA.

Guantanamo bay; what a terrible example of US injustice.

Not so much pragmatism as avoiding the question I asked Re:when it's your loved ones that are the crime victims?

 

[SirGalahad]

Not so much pragmatism as avoiding the question I asked Re:when it's your loved ones that are the crime victims?

You would probably like the Islamic system in the Middle East - the victims of the family get a choice either take blood money or ask for beheading.

 

[Yafo]

You would probably like the Islamic system in the Middle East - the victims of the family get a choice either take blood money or ask for beheading.

Odd that many of the far right actually like a lot of the strict muslim customs, but hate them at the same time.

 

[Notch7]

Would like to see how far your pragmatism and sympathy extends when a car thief kills your family or robs your mother and rapes her,,,,you going to visit,pat him on the head and have him live with you?

I see you mean I didnt answer the above?

Its another slippery slope argument.

Where did I say rehabilitation means the same as 'pat him on the head'?

What do you say if that car thief that kills a family and rapes happens to be a released prisoner that wasnt rehabilitated due to a privatised, broken prison system?

Have a look at the US system and see if their tough prison sentencing reduces crime rates......

 

[Brigadier]

Rehabilitation.
Allow someone to be broken, commit crime, and "rehabilitate".

Wouldn't it be better to "prehabilitate" i.e. raise and support people in a way that they don't commit crime in the first place?

 

[vinty]

people who have been imprisoned without trial for indefinite periods.

Maybe the Americans have come to the conclusion that the only way to avoid suspects being victims of a mistrial is to not have any trials at all and just lock them up.

 

[durhamplumber]

Rehabilitation.
Allow someone to be broken, commit crime, and "rehabilitate".

Wouldn't it be better to "prehabilitate" i.e. raise and support people in a way that they don't commit crime in the first place?

Called good parenting.how the he'll is the state going to detect every individual destined for crime and treat them appropriately??? Fluffy wooly nonsense

 

[durhamplumber]

I see you mean I didnt answer the above?

Its another slippery slope argument.

Where did I say rehabilitation means the same as 'pat him on the head'?

What do you say if that car thief that kills a family and rapes happens to be a released prisoner that wasnt rehabilitated due to a privatised, broken prison system?

Have a look at the US system and see if their tough prison sentencing reduces crime rates......

Should never have been released

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Odd that many of the far right actually like a lot of the strict muslim customs, but hate them at the same time.

It's fun the way you make stuff up, then say it so confidently, in the hope someone might believe you, Sir GalaYafo.

 

[Brigadier]

You missed Kank

 

[Brigadier]

Called good parenting.how the he'll is the state going to detect every individual destined for crime and treat them appropriately??? Fluffy wooly nonsense

Thanks for that, otherwise I'd never have realised

 

[Yafo]

It's fun the way you make stuff up, then say it so confidently, in the hope someone might believe you, Sir GalaYafo.

Think it through a bit?

Think about punishments for crimes maybe?

 

[Notch7]

Should never have been released

Do you mean they should have life inprisonment?

Lesser crimes?

 

[durhamplumber]

Do you mean they should have life inprisonment?

Lesser crimes?

Lesser crimes,,lock them up long before they take the p and commit 50crimes.Are you some sort of born again Christian Burk?