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Wrong town
. Every inch of that Bhakmut must be strategically significant.Fair point on the town but you're wrong on why it's all shelled. The shells go where enemy forces are or might be.Wrong town
The attackers shell any buildings they think are held and the defenders shell any building that the attackers are moving through. Between the two you tend to flatten everything and booby traps will get some of the rest. If you're taking it seriously then you might drop buildings yourself to provide obstacles.
The only part of Bahkmut that's useful is the transport lines. It is significant as Russia is highly dependent on railway logistics.
We have no idea of Russian production rates or their idea on equipment readiness and that one includes tanks etc. The USA use 24hr so if a tank engine is dismantled to replace seals it can be rebuilt in that time so is ready for use.
Russia did say early on that they might have to increase missile production rates.
9, the US has committed to Ukraine more than 1 million 155mm artillery rounds, 180,000 105mm artillery rounds, more than 8,500 Javelin anti-tank missiles, 4,200 precision-guided Excalibur 155mm artillery rounds and 1,600 shoulder-mounted Stinger missiles.16 Dec 2022
I'd assume at a rate they need. Russia - no point in having an army unless it can be fed with what it needs.
Suitibility of stingers has been questioned. An army person pointed out that they seek heat so do just that if they can reach what they are aimed at. Not just helicopters.
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Is that the only way you know to clear a building?
When you're "running out" of shells?
Really?
Battle tanks from German industrial reserves wanted by Ukraine will not be ready to be delivered until 2024, the arms manufacturer Rheinmetall has warned, increasing pressure on Nato allies to support Ukraine with armoured vehicles in active service instead, ahead of a key meeting this week.
“Even if the decision to send our Leopard tanks to Kyiv came tomorrow, the delivery would take until the start of next year,” Rheinmetall’s chief executive, Armin Papperger, told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper.
Rheinmetall, which manufactures the battle vehicle’s gun, has 22 Leopard 2 and 88 older Leopard 1 tanks in its stocks. Getting the Leopard tanks ready for battle, however, would take several months and cost hundreds of millions of euros the company could not put up until the order was confirmed, Papperger said. “The vehicles must be completely dismantled and rebuilt,” he added.
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“Even if the decision to send our Leopard tanks to Kyiv came tomorrow, the delivery would take until the start of next year,” Rheinmetall’s chief executive, Armin Papperger, told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper.
Rheinmetall, which manufactures the battle vehicle’s gun, has 22 Leopard 2 and 88 older Leopard 1 tanks in its stocks. Getting the Leopard tanks ready for battle, however, would take several months and cost hundreds of millions of euros the company could not put up until the order was confirmed, Papperger said. “The vehicles must be completely dismantled and rebuilt,” he added.
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It's Russian doctrine.
Which makes sense, even in well managed and maintained reserves stored kit can't just be dusted down and driven to the front line.
Any armour that would be delivered to Ukraine in the very near future will have to be operational kit that's already in use. Germany probably won't be the major immediate source of Leopards either, they just need to authorise the other operators to allow them to send the to Ukraine.
But they'll still need more tanks in 2024 so it makes sense to start now.
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Link? Sounds like you're making it up as you go along.
Try "The Russian Way of War" by the US army press. It's freely downloadable in pdf.
Not sure about it being a purely Russian way. The other way would be bombing. The sort of aircraft used for carpet bombing in Vietnam could be rolled out. Given even the stuff one soldier can carry these days it wouldn't remain in the air for long.
True the west has made a right mess of some areas with bombs in recent years but if a side has effective air defences it could prove very expensive.
So your left with shells, mortars and missiles + drones of late.
Yesterday AlJ reported that Bhakmut is being shelled from the S , N and E now. No water or power. Verbal report. Also footage of a mortar hitting a building and shots of a tank moving about in a area where they had left lots of tracks, Shells got close so they hid in a building - pretty common thing shown happening, even Ukrainian soldiers. doing the same.
Interesting read. Info on shelling probably applies to any group that uses them. Firing positions, pattern etc.
Not entirely. Russia uses tabulated fire patterns that NATO doesn't have a direct equivalent for.
X units of type Y in Z fortifications equals A1 x 152mm HE or A2 x 122mm.
They then fire that amount and expect the target to be destroyed. This is typically a higher number than a NATO force would expect to fire at a similar target.
NATO practice has been to fire for shorter shoots and observe the impact, then call for more if needed. Russias approach makes offensive planning much quicker but at a cost of inefficient use of amunition. When you've got all the ammo you can eat that's fine, when you're restricted then it breaks down.
I wonder if GRAD HE attacks figure in some of the devastation seen. Their older stuff needs to get closer than the latest. They can fire all sorts but the basic idea to lay a pattern of them rather than precision but that can be done as well. There has been comments that they seem to have an endless supply of missiles for them. Often damage shown on the TV is blast damage, plenty of work for window fitters. There are exceptions though much more like a WWII destructive strikes,
The info on the kit in the pdf is interesting too especially electronic warfare and the decisions regarding GPS. Some one mentioned that Russia only has 2 satellites - afraid GPS needs at least 3 to function,
Thermobarics are another area where they can lay a pattern but range suggests they are for closer fighting. USA appear to prefer bombs or at least that method has been used in recent years.
Leopards - I wonder if the main problem really is keeping them running as per US supplying Abrams.Getting them out of stock. The US keep a large proportion of kit battle ready which means they can be made fit for use in 24hrs, Russia??? I had a Land Cruiser off road for longer than intended.Wish I had bought a preservation pack for it, Up and running quickly and I would have got more for it when sold.
The info on the kit in the pdf is interesting too especially electronic warfare and the decisions regarding GPS. Some one mentioned that Russia only has 2 satellites -
afraid GPS needs at least 3 to function,Thermobarics are another area where they can lay a pattern but range suggests they are for closer fighting. USA appear to prefer bombs or at least that method has been used in recent years.
Leopards - I wonder if the main problem really is keeping them running as per US supplying Abrams.Getting them out of stock. The US keep a large proportion of kit battle ready which means they can be made fit for use in 24hrs, Russia??? I had a Land Cruiser off road for longer than intended.Wish I had bought a preservation pack for it, Up and running quickly and I would have got more for it when sold.
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This is why Russia must not win..
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