Ukraine counter offensive

[carmanmemoranda]

Vinty said,

Ukraine in its present configuration isn't working, maybe its time to try something different.


By invading them Vinty ? Is Russia just allowed to invade ? If so, where is the limit? Just Ukraine, or more ? And more ?

 

[JohnD]

...There was a point after the dissolution of the Soviet union, where the EU and the Russians could have had a positive relationship, however the ....

...power still held by the ex-communist organisations, and powerful gangsters, shifted wealth, ownership and power away from the people and into the hands of crime and corruption, where it still resides, exemplified by Emperor Putin and his authoritarian and murderous rule.

Sadly Russia has no traditions of freedom and democracy, and no institutions capable of leading the nations direction to a better path.

 

[Justin Passing]

Z has booted out a swathe of officials but it'll be difficult when the war subsides, and money swirls in from everyone wanting a stake in the rebuilt country. Wikipedia indicates how people think corruption is part of how things work.
also:

Opinion: How the war in Ukraine obscured an uncomfortable truth | CNN

For almost a year, Russia's invasion has pushed a key concern into the background -- Ukraine's ongoing battle against corruption, writes Michael Bociurkiw.

edition.cnn.com

 

[JohnD]

Soviet corruption was very pernicious.

 

[ic1927]

...power still held by the ex-communist organisations, and powerful gangsters, shifted wealth, ownership and power away from the people and into the hands of crime and corruption, where it still resides, exemplified by Emperor Putin and his authoritarian and murderous rule.

Sadly Russia has no traditions of freedom and democracy, and no institutions capable of leading the nations direction to a better path.

There was a brilliant series on bbc4 recently covering Russia from 1985 to 1999, the collapse of communism and democracy, still available on iplayer and well worth a look, all the film footage is previously unseen.

Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone - Series 1: 1. Part One - 1985 to 1989

Perestroika. The dream of saving communism. But the oligarchs start to loot the system.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[transam]

They also use sledgehammers.

Still do by all accounts ?

Poo tins Wagner group has released a video that appears to show the brutal killing with a sledge hammer of one of their soldiers

Apparently he tried to defect ??

 

[Odds]

• More than eight million Ukrainians have been forced to flee since the war broke out, the UN refugee agency said, in what has become the largest refugee crisis in Europe since World War II.
• Moscow’s troops have been targeting Ukrainian positions along the front line in the Donetsk region, according to local officials. Only about 5,000 civilians are left in [Bakhmut] of a pre-war population of about 70,000, regional Governor Pavlo Kyrylenko said.

• The Polish defence minister said that discussions on supplying F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine would likely be fruitful, but pressure must be applied on allies to procure them.
• The Norwegian government will send eight Leopard 2 battle tanks and other equipment to Ukraine to aid in the war with Russia.

• Moldova temporarily closed its air space, the country’s national airline said, after Chisinau claimed that Russia is planning to destabilise the former Soviet republic.
• Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said that he founded and financed the Internet Research Agency, a company Washington says is a “troll farm” which meddled in the 2016 US presidential election.

• The European Union will launch an ad hoc group to investigate how frozen Russian funds, including central bank reserves, can be used for reconstruction work in Ukraine, the Swedish government said.

summary@AlJazz

 

[noseall]

The days when Europeans could decide whats "best for the world" are drawing to a close.



You've spelt 'Americans' wrong boyo.







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[Vinty]

Sadly Russia has no traditions of freedom and democracy, and no institutions capable of leading the nations direction to a better path

Nor has Ukraine.
Zelensky any different from Putin.

 

[IT Minion]

Nor has Ukraine.
Zelensky any different from Putin.

He hasn't invaded Georgia, Ukraine twice or Chechnya twice.

 

[Vinty]

You think Zelensky is an ex-KGB man trying to rebuild an empire to invade and dominate Eastern and Central Europe?

You are barmy.

He is bought and paid for by Oligarchs.
His government is full of corruption.
Sounds familiar, does it not.

 

[JohnD]

Sounds familiar, does it not.

Putin sent an army to invade and occupy a neighbouring country.

You are talking nonsense.

No change there.

 

[Vinty]

so zelensky will be in Moscow next week having defeated the much over hyped Russian military

More likely he will end up in one of his luxury villas in Italy or with his Oligarch sponsors in you know where.
On the other hand he could have a lucrative career along with Boris on the cash for talking crap circuit.

 

[Vinty]

Putin sent an army to invade and occupy a neighbouring country.

You are talking nonsense.

No change there.

Someone has to protect the rights of oppressed minorities.
Maybe next time the Ukranian nationalists will think twice before overthrowing their democratically elected leaders.

 

[Vinty]

Your love of Vlad the Invader pushes you into strange beliefs.

I would be more concerned about your irrational hatred of Russians.