Ukraine counter offensive

[ajohn]

Is this lies them?

I've no idea or what it means in terms of fighting. I posted a link to thoughts on their forces reorganisation intended for the Pentagon. The changes relate to deploying them and flexibility. I also came across a comment about rank reorganisation. They cut some ranks out. The results may be similar to something that councils have done. The person that answers the phone call from the public gets called a director so that they can say they are. Perhaps a general fighting in the field is similar - not what we would normally expect. This sort of thing could cause problems, An army usually has a pretty rigid fixed command structure.

 

[ajohn]

Now that's what I call a great example of propaganda by the west or perhaps the people are too stupid to handle an opposing perspective other than that presented to them.

I'd be inclined to agree with that. Propaganda being one of the main reason but some might take anything in. That could be countered by other channels elsewhere in the world.

 

[ajohn]

ps...the Duma are getting restless with Putin. They want to nuke the west and be done with it.
They also demand that UK-rain is bombed out of existence so that no more Russian troops have to die raking things easy for the people
Putin is a dove...

In one of his super long speeches I listened to he mentioned what the west had done to cities in Japan and Germany in order to win a war. To appease those or a threat. H doesn't need to use nukes to pick out a city and mess it up. It depends on what he has.

Personally I don't think battle field nukes are a viable option for capturing areas. Probably why they are banned.

 

[transam]

RT banned in the EU...banned...website as well...Now that's what I call a great example of propaganda by the west or perhaps the people are too stupid to handle an opposing perspective other than that presented to them.
I did email the kremiln and asked them to send me a copy of the plans they had for the special operations...still waiting for a reply.
While I'm waiting, can I have a copy of the plans you were sent?
ps...the Duma are getting restless with Putin. They want to nuke the west and be done with it.
They also demand that UK-rain is bombed out of existence so that no more Russian troops have to die raking things easy for the people
Putin is a dove...

I emailed the Kremlin as well enquiring as to if they had any vacancies about pushing there narrative point if view

I did not use the word propaganda as I thought that was not the word to use on a potential job application

I did ask about pay ?? And stated I did not want rubles

At this moment in time I have received no response ???

I stated I had contacts in the states namely bubba from the Pontiac owners club

Which I thought may well bump my application up to Putins desk ??

 

[Deleted member 174758]

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You only jealous! If you think I'm a troll, report me and see how far you get...

 

[carmanmemoranda]

RT banned in the EU...banned...website as well...Now that's what I call a great example of propaganda by the west or perhaps the people are too stupid to handle an opposing perspective other than that presented to them.
I did email the kremiln and asked them to send me a copy of the plans they had for the special operations...still waiting for a reply.
While I'm waiting, can I have a copy of the plans you were sent?
ps...the Duma are getting restless with Putin. They want to nuke the west and be done with it.
They also demand that UK-rain is bombed out of existence so that no more Russian troops have to die raking things easy for the people
Putin is a dove...

propaganda exists on both sides. The very pertinent question that is not subject to it is.....

who invaded where ?

regardless of whether you agree or not with Ukraine and it's course, it is an independent country and has the right to decide what it wants to do. Invading Ukraine cannot be defended for that very reason.

the propaganda follows that, it doesn't precede it

 

[IT Minion]

I'm sure Ukraine was a part of the soviet union so there must have been propaganda before the latest invasion

Ireland was once part of England. That doesn't mean we can invade it now.

 

[transam]

Over the past 30 years Russia have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. But in response to Russia proposal , they invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail. While the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite Russia protests and concerns.
As a Western European, I do not see Russia as a threat to Western Europe. But I increasingly see the US as a threat to Europe and the world.
There would have been peace in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO and American politicians telling Zelensky not to sign a peace agreement.
I have been likening this to the Cuban Crisis from the start. US was not going to tolerate Soviet weapons on US border but the US wants to put their nuclear weapons on the Russian border. The monroe doctrine was declared and hawks in washington at the time were calling for nuclear strikes against russia.
Now we have the polish leader duda calling for american atomic weapons to be sited on the border with russia.
Sadly, we do not have the leaders like kennedy any more. Who was willing to give the russians a pathway out.

Kennedy

That fruit cake who attempted to start world war three

When he thought it would be a jolly good idea to station Pershing nuclear missiles on the Turkish border with Russia

Hence the Cuban missile crisis

 

[ajohn]

Sadly, we do not have the leaders like kennedy any more. Who was willing to give the russians a pathway out.

The Russian missile boats turned round when the USA agreed to remove some that they had put rather close to Russia

Not much news on reality as that was a let out for Kennedy, Politically speaking.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

There would have been peace in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO and American politicians telling Zelensky not to sign a peace agreement.

I disagree with most if not all of your post. But that bit in particular.

this peace agreement? More info about it please.

why could Ukraine not decide what they wanted to do? The same as we do.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I'm sure Ukraine was a part of the soviet union so there must have been propaganda before the latest invasion

When was Ukraine part of Russia?

When did Russia invade Ukraine?

When did Ukraine threaten to or actually did invade Russia ?

 

[blup]

...willing to give the russians a pathway out.

The ante is being upped, the US need to give VP a way out, especially if he goes nuclear. Problem is VZ is winning and gas line out of action so less leverage available on Europe to pressurise VZ into settlement. It makes you wonder if VP was not in fact responsible for the pipe line attack.

Blup

 

[transam]

This high tech military power called Russia are in serious trouble

The army is poorly lead

Ill disciplined

Poorly equipped

There Air Force appears to be non existent

There supply and logistics is a joke
As is there medical back up for there troops

The entire military operation has been a complete dogs breakfast to date

 

[denso13]

While the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite Russia protests and concerns.

Well it is now, all thanks to Vlad the invader...

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Over the past 30 years Russia have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. But in response to Russia proposal , they invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail. While the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite Russia protests and concerns.
As a Western European, I do not see Russia as a threat to Western Europe. But I increasingly see the US as a threat to Europe and the world.
There would have been peace in Ukraine if it wasn't for NATO and American politicians telling Zelensky not to sign a peace agreement.
I have been likening this to the Cuban Crisis from the start. US was not going to tolerate Soviet weapons on US border but the US wants to put their nuclear weapons on the Russian border. The monroe doctrine was declared and hawks in washington at the time were calling for nuclear strikes against russia.
Now we have the polish leader duda calling for american atomic weapons to be sited on the border with russia.
Sadly, we do not have the leaders like kennedy any more. Who was willing to give the russians a pathway out.

According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries. But as Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated in a July interview with his country’s state media, this compromise is no longer an option.


That was not a peace deal like you imply. A negotiated interim settlement. Doesn't sound long lasting to me.

It was also for Ukraine to decide on their future, Not Russia. If Ukraine felt they could rely on the west to help them stand up to Russia, then that was their choice. Not Russia.

Were Ukraine threatening Russia ?