Ukraine counter offensive

[carmanmemoranda]

I was given no say when the Uk government joined with the americans and invaded Iraq. A sovereign nation.
On the false accusations that saddam hussein was going to unleash weapons of mass destruction on the west.
The western media was all part off the frenzy and propaganda at the time. And the brain washed masse's were convinced.
Just as they are today.

So 2 wrongs make a right?

I wasn't a great supporter of our actions either, but it's down to the people you elect to make such decisions. Did you object at all? was Iraq involved in terrorism, or its support of ?

 

[IT Minion]

I was given no say when the Uk government joined with the americans and invaded Iraq. A sovereign nation.
On the false accusations that saddam hussein was going to unleash weapons of mass destruction on the west.
The western media was all part off the frenzy and propaganda at the time. And the brain washed masse's were convinced.
Just as they are today.
Except this time they dealing with a country with a huge arsenal of WMD.

Of course not, if you're registered to vote in St Petersburg then your legal options to engage in UK democracy is limited.

 

[transam]

Perhaps Putin might be advised to read or make reference to that other
Great Russian military leaders hand book on the art of war

Joe Stalin

One tactic he could adopt in order to stop Russian troops retreating is Stalins blocking tactics

Any troops retreating from an attack
Would be machined gunned

 

[JohnD]

I'm encouraged to see how inefficient and incompetent the Stalinist system beloved by Putin turns out to be.

Although he tries to rule by fear and brutality, it breaks down when resistance grows large enough.

He knows that, from his days in East Germany, when, to his intense annoyance, nobody would give orders for the army and border guards to machine-gun the protestors, because they feared being strung up from lamp-posts. He is convinced that enough brutal violence and death could have saved the Soviet Empire.

"Sofort"

Pressekonferenz mit Günter Schabowski am 09. November 1989 | MDR.DE

Auf einer Pressekonferenz am 09.11.1989 leitet der Berliner SED-Chef Günter Schabowski durch einen Fauxpas den Mauerfall ein.

www.mdr.de

 

[JohnD]

Of course not, if you're registered to vote in St Petersburg then your legal options to engage in UK democracy is limited.

His documents may still have said "Leningrad"

 

[transam]

I was given no say when the Uk government joined with the americans and invaded Iraq. A sovereign nation.
On the false accusations that saddam hussein was going to unleash weapons of mass destruction on the west.
The western media was all part off the frenzy and propaganda at the time.
Just as they are today
And the brain washed masse's were convinced.
Just as they are today.
Except this time they are dealing with a country with a huge arsenal of WMD.

Was that the first gulf war when saddam invaded Kuwait ??

That was of course after he had previously invaded Iran

And after he appeared on tv brandishing nuclear weapon electronics ?

That Saddam hussein who used mustard gas on the Iranians and Kurds

Do you mean that propaganda

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Putin is a KGB-trained person, who is also quite soft, but firm when needed. he doesn't act like a maniac,

Not a maniac? Putin has used chemical weapons in our country which could have killed thousands.

But I do agree that Russia has not been helped much to "come back into the fold" since 1989. Theirs was one of the greatest of all civilisations, now they just have bad leadership, a bit like us.

 

[JohnD]

Putin is a KGB-trained person, who is also quite soft, but firm when needed. he doesn't act like a maniac, he doesn't want Russia to appear as a destructive force, because Russia is a liberating force establishing the New Fair World Order of Cooperation together with its many partners.

Wooder lives in the looking-glass world.

He thinks that invading a neighbouring country with tanks, bombs and guns, is a brotherly act of togetherness

He thinks that threatening to use nuclear weapons is a sensible choice

He thinks that mass graves, shelling of civillians, torture, murder and a box of newly-taken gold teeth, are liberation

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Ukraine lost their right to decide their future since 2014 when the americans helped install the pro western nazi leaning regime.
Which then went on an all out attack on the east. To ukranify the region.
Hasn't worked out too well has it?

All out attack on the east since 2014.

I seem to have missed that, could you provide the information please?

from what I know, which is only from the media in fairness, is that Russia invaded Ukraine, but I might be wrong

 

[JohnD]

Over the past 30 years Russia have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe.

Russia guaranteed the security of Ukraine

Putin invaded it.

 

[denso13]

To ukranify the region.

To ukranify Ukraine? Scoundrels, what were they thinking...

 

[denso13]

The war

According to Vlad the invader, it isn't a war...

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The war started in february/march this year according to western media.
The history part has been left out for obvious reasons.

The all out attack on the east since 2014?

You failed to mention it. The only attack I was aware of was Russia invading Ukraine this year, as you confirm.

 

[JohnD]

The war started in february/march this year according to western media.
The history part has been left out for obvious reasons.

Western media has not "left out" Russian encroachment into Ukraine.

It has not even left out the history of the Holodomor.

Khrakiv 1933

No wonder the people of Ukraine do not want to be invaded and dominated by Putin.

Holodomor - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[denso13]

Americans get kicked out off most places they invade.

Vlad the invader is a thug. He'll be pushed back eventually...