Ukraine counter offensive

[carmanmemoranda]

No mission creep, gets round problems the right wing element bring to the parliament or any others who are dissenting vocalists but who are in the minority.

It's a perfect example of free speech. Speaking out against anything is free speech. The important bit is how it's presented

 

[transam]

Due to recent events Europe / EU
Need the UK on board

Hence the warm words from many EU leaders at the recent Czech European meet up towards the UK

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Due to recent events Europe / EU
Need the UK on board

Hence the warm words from many EU leaders at the recent Czech European meet up towards the UK

Need, or want? Or is it also a case that we need friends too ?

 

[gant]

It's a perfect example of free speech. Speaking out against anything is free speech. The important bit is how it's presented

That's all well and good and very worthy but meaningless if you don't have a veto and are in the minority.

 

[THFC]

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[carmanmemoranda]

That's all well and good and very worthy but meaningless if you don't have a veto and are in the minority.

That's democracy. Biggest vote wins remember

 

[gant]

Did you think that through before you posted?

 

[transam]

Need, or want? Or is it also a case that we need friends too ?

Perhaps both ??? Maybe ?

 

[Pat ex]

There are no 'tryustworthy' partners, that's why as recently as yesterday Germany were calling for the abolition of veto's and unaminous voting.

Are you telling us that every member nation had to agree with any EU legislation?
That means that prior to Brexit UK would have had to agree with all EU legislation.

 

[Pat ex]

Due to recent events Europe / EU
Need the UK on board

Hence the warm words from many EU leaders at the recent Czech European meet up towards the UK

That reminds of something that I've heard before somewhere, "they need us more than we need them".
I can't quite remember where I heard it, nor in what context.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Did you think that through before you posted?

It's not me that doesn't do the thinking. As you amply demonstrate.

 

[JohnD]

That's all well and good and very worthy but meaningless if you don't have a veto and are in the minority.

52% of the votes, eh?

 

[gant]

Your beloved eu are pushing to get rid of the veto JD. Mr Marano gives his viewpoint.


Silvestro Marano
05/05/2022 23:27
Against
Considering democracy only as about "50% + 1 must decide whatever" regardless of the minority, is superficial and reckless, European Union includes different countries with different realities and needs that are not always symmetrical and overlapping; the veto is needed for issues that can have a strong impact on countries, otherwise an emerging majority dictatorship can force countries with different needs to be in an unfair position towards the EU, jeopardizing the entire equity of the EU that will end inevitably to create unmanageable fractures.

 

[denso13]

Your beloved eu are pushing to get rid of the veto JD

Rightly or wrongly we've left the EU. Don't worry about it...

 

[Pat ex]

Your beloved eu are pushing to get rid of the veto JD. Mr Marano gives his viewpoint.


Silvestro Marano
05/05/2022 23:27
Against
Considering democracy only as about "50% + 1 must decide whatever" regardless of the minority, is superficial and reckless, European Union includes different countries with different realities and needs that are not always symmetrical and overlapping; the veto is needed for issues that can have a strong impact on countries, otherwise an emerging majority dictatorship can force countries with different needs to be in an unfair position towards the EU, jeopardizing the entire equity of the EU that will end inevitably to create unmanageable fractures.

Perhaps we should allow all towns and cities in the UK to have a veto over government policy?