Weapons shortage

[JohnD]

If Ukraine bombed some Russian population centres, that would shorten the war!

Or perhaps (as usual) it would unite the nation in patriotic fervour against a common external enemy.

Just what Putin needs.

 

[transam]

Bombing some third world country will never be that successful or as successful as a
Modern up to date country

Not a lot to bomb infrastructure wise in third world countries

 

[JohnD]

Bombing some third world country will never be that successful or as successful as a
Modern up to date country

Not a lot to bomb infrastructure wise in third world countries

Like London, you mean?

Did it work?

 

[transam]

Like London, you mean?

Did it work?

Not than ?

What about now ?? Take out communications mobile phone net works and peoples lives would collapse

Power plants
Sewage works
Water works
Rail ways

Petroleum storage facilities

Brewery’s

Third world country most people have nowt

 

[JohnD]

Not than ?

What about now ?? Take out communications mobile phone net works and peoples lives would collapse

Power plants
Sewage works
Water works
Rail ways

Petroleum storage facilities

Brewery’s

Third world country most people have nowt

Ah, you mean like the IRA bombing campaigns persuaded UK to give up?

Oops, no they didn't.

 

[transam]

Ah, you mean like the IRA bombing campaigns persuaded UK to give up?

Oops, no they didn't.

I hardly think that the IRA s bombing campaign was on the same level as the Americans bombing Hanoi with B52s

And that was in the day of dumb munitions

Bomb this country or London on the same level and see how we would react ???

 

[JohnD]

You keep giving examples of where bombing the civil population DIDN'T WORK.

Let's see you try to find some examples supporting your opinion.

 

[JohnD]

Israel has bombed sewage, water and electrical facilities in Gaza.

And the population gets more resentful and hostile every time.

Do you find that surprising?

 

[fillyboy]

Israel has bombed sewage, water and electrical facilities in Gaza.

Prior to those incidents, what had the Palestinians bombed in Israel.

 

[fillyboy]

Here's a list John.

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[JohnD]

Is that a list showing that bombing civillians won a war?

 

[Justin Passing]

If you are right, then Russian resupply routes into Ukraine must be at a standstill.

You've not understood. On purpose I think. The logic is working on something other than reality..

Russia is bombing Ukraine, Ukraine is not bombing Russia. Strikes by Ukraine on supply lines in Russia, are non-existent.

OK?

Russia is predominately using roads to send its forces around the relatively small area it has taken, not rail.
Ukraine isn't likely to be bombing infrastructure in its own captured territory, is it.
Ukraine isn't bombing or "droning"(?) Russian soil at all, though. It seems unclear what hit the bridge - Ukraine hadn't claimed to have done, last I saw.
If Ukraine, whether with its own forces or overtly someone else's bombed a power station in say Kursk, 120km over the border in Russia proper. Putin would go ape. If he flattens Kyiv, what will it cost him?

You're asking for an example where Bomber Harris's policy WAS successful, though he wasn't the one to execute it.
OK, Trivial.

Japan, August 6th, 1945. It only took 2 bombs. Putin has 1600 nuclear warheads ready, another 4000+ lying about.
So stop the nonsense about the IRA. and the Gaza strip.
He has the "vacuum bombs" which aren't nuclear, but highly devastating, as an option.

Meanwhile, Putin can create havoc with strategic strikes over the entire area of Ukraine, stop power production, break water supplies and the rest. The west couldn't stop it and wouldn't bomb Russia.
Look up his Skyf and Grom drones. 200 - 2000kg payload, enough. Nobody knows how many but the list is long. He can basically stop Ukraine functioning. It's pretty dire right now, but he hasn't even bothered to go for C & C Turning off their oil supplies & fuel distribution wouldn't be hard, would it!
There are 6-9 functioning oil refineries in Ukraine depending how you count. How many cluster bombs would take all of those out?
They have a dozen plus bits power plants with 15 nuclear reactors - Zaporizhzhya being the biggest, which Russians control (?).
Ukraine's water supplies are already in trouble. 11 Million use wells, but the other 30 million use electric pumps, and pipes.
Most western aid comes through Poland, via a dozen or so main routes. Satellites will tell him which ar bases near the border are being used, so that's far from invulnerable.

With a claimed "reason" - or without, frankly, , he can hit comms and severely cripple the whole of Europe. . It's all one sided - Putin can do any of this and that but the west can't or won't retalliate.

There's opinion in this, which one can refute, but the underlying facts remain:

 

[JohnD]

I fear infrastructures are all very fragile. A drone a day keeps a hundred freight trains away.

This is your claim that I commented on. It isn't true, is it?

 

[Justin Passing]

If Ukraine bombed some Russian population centres, that would shorten the war!

Or perhaps (as usual) it would unite the nation in patriotic fervour against a common external enemy.

Just what Putin needs.

Yes. You're getting it, slowly. World would blame Ukraine for stupidly antagonising the Bear, Putin "justified" in obliterating Ukraine. War over.
What did you think I meant?

What was your "or"?

 

[JohnD]

Yes.

Glad to see you agree with me.