Why I care so much about Israel.

[ajohn]

What could Hamas possibly hope to gain with their invasion? Do you not think this retaliation was entirely predictable? Do you think they considered this and didn't care?

A wise ex Mosad man pointed out that Israel has fell into Hamas's trap and they are winning the war of words. The news isn't doing Israel any good at all. More and more comes out.

The US has been know to say don't over react. It seems they did interfere once - Bush, also comments from some on just how hard the situation is to control even reference to the Israeli propaganda lot. One rather senior US man used the F word to describe Benjamin. It was related to who was in control, them or him.

Hamas view tricky. A terrorist may feel that the end justifies the means. They have increased the awareness of the situation to extreme levels world wide. Previously the interest was rather limited to smaller groups. More people may have heard the common view that the Gaza Strip is really an open air prison.

Hamas have also said they have made a mistake but no mention of what - to the west anyway.

You may have heard that the end game is a 2 state solution. If achieved job done as far as Hamas is concerned however they expect some involvement in the government. The general view is that the PA needs to have a different form.

Meanwhile to handle the eventual peace the US have budgeted Israeli arms aid out to 2029. They are also making a lot of noise about diplomacy. They point out that no party involved in the entire area want more wars yet in real terms they have little control but true none will want other wars but it's down to them.

 

[noseall]

Day care finished early again Noseall.

Good for you!

 

[Notch7]

1) some, probably most.
2) my understanding is this figure is disputed.
3) conflicts the world over have proven that children, women and old people are perfectly capable of presenting a hostile threat to a soldier. Africa, middle east etc.. even European wars.

So you admit most Palestinians killed by Israel military are innocent

But you refuse to condemn the atrocities committed by the state of Israel.

Unless you support the atrocities committed by Israel military on Palestinians, you have no reason to not condemn them.

conflicts the world over have proven that children, women and old people are perfectly capable of presenting a hostile threat to a soldier

I refer to your answer to 1) “some, probably most”…..are innocent

So you admit they aren’t a hostile threat.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

I doubt that is true, what did they think would happen if they embed their forces in civilian infrastructure?

According to Israel.
And nations are not known for using propaganda during times of conflict.
And you accept it without question.

its obvious even to a 10 year old kid in the playground, that if you pick a fight with a bigger, stronger, better at fighting kid, you'll get a kicking.
If you start a war against a more powerful nation you are going to get annihilated.

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945)

Dolores Ibårruri, “La Pasionaria” (1895-1989),

Emiliano Zapata (c. 1877-1919),

 

[Ihavenojob]

the main reason Douglas Murray gives for supporting Israel seems to be that they are fighting against Muslims.

I thought they were fighting terrorists?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I doubt that is true, what did they think would happen if they embed their forces in civilian infrastructure?

its obvious even to a 10 year old kid in the playground, that if you pick a fight with a bigger, stronger, better at fighting kid, you'll get a kicking.

If you start a war against a more powerful nation you are going to get annihilated.

Was it the kids that started the war?

The ones getting shot at i mean

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I thought they were fighting terrorists?

And that's the issue.

They are not the same

 

[Odds]

“No anti-Israeli and anti-Zionist decision will stop the development of settlements,” said Smotrich, who also heads civil affairs at the Ministry of Defence, on X. “We will continue to fight against the dangerous project of creating a Palestinian state by creating facts on the ground.”

An interesting distinction made by the far-right minister for lebensraum in the Knesset.

 

[JohnD]

It is a war you muppet, it started

In 1948 after the invasion of Palestine.

 

[fillyboy]

So you admit most Palestinians killed by Israel military are innocent

But you refuse to condemn the atrocities committed by the state of Israel.

Unless you support the atrocities committed by Israel military on Palestinians, you have no reason to not condemn them.



I refer to your answer to 1) “some, probably most”…..are innocent

So you admit they aren’t a hostile threat.

At least 14,000 of the dead were Hamas combatants.

Israeli security officials say such estimates are reached through a combination of counting bodies on the battlefield, intercepts of Hamas communications and intelligence assessments of personnel in targets that were destroyed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/

If the claim for total deaths at 40,000 is true, that equates to a civilian to combatant death ratio of less than 2 to 1, which is remarkably low for urban warfare of this nature.

 

[fillyboy]

R/W w****r that is part of the Conservative propaganda machine

DM writes for the Spectator…..says it all


Filly is a Muslim hater and proud of it
Filly supports Israel military dropping bombs on Palestinians
Filly supports Israel military killing 2 babies just 4 days old and the mother.

Trumpian tactics, attack the personality because you haven't the intelligence to discuss the issues.

 

[fillyboy]

Israel should have been ( and I suspect they were) aware of the threat of a serious uprising by Hamas and other groups.

They've been aware of the risk of invasion since they were invaded in 1948, sometimes they get caught out, the Yom Kippur war in 1973 for example. Out of necessity they've been on a war footing since 1948, they have no choice, for Israel the problem is existential.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

They've been aware of the risk of invasion since they were invaded in 1948, sometimes they get caught out, the Yom Kippur war in 1973 for example. Out of necessity they've been on a war footing since 1948, they have no choice, for Israel the problem is existential.

Yet they left a weak part of the border very poorly guarded, with many military on leave.
They organised a pop concert within 3 miles of the border point.
They claim to know the precise locations of Hamas, Iranian and Hezbollah leaders, to within a few metres, even in foreign countries.
But they have no idea of the whereabouts of the hostages in Gaza.
And they claim to have had no knowledge of the impending incursion in advance.

Yeah, and I'm related to Father Christmas.

The problem is created by Israeli subjugation of the Palestinians, in Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem.

 

[Notch7]

At least 14,000 of the dead were Hamas combatants

Says Israel state….renowned for bullsh1t

 

[Notch7]

Filly is a Muslim hater and proud of it
Filly supports Israel military dropping bombs on Palestinians
Filly supports Israel military killing 2 babies just 4 days old and the mother

Filly doesn’t deny any of the above