And some say MP's are lazy work shirking buggers…

[Brigadier]

are they asking? or are they threatening?

Depends if their employer has told them to "go swivel", or not........

 

[Brigadier]

straw man nonsense

From the poster who:

- posts up strawmen
- posts closed questions
- invents press releases to support their "argument"

 

[denso13]

Can train drivers fill a stadium with people willing to pay roughly £100 a time to watch them kick a ball about?

So steering is irrelevant? Funny that...

 

[Mottie]

They steer the ball with their feet.

 

[noseall]

and if the answer No.

What, not even a counter offer?
Show them the power of the union comrade pronto.

 

[Brigadier]

What about the Bus driver, why shouldn't he earn the same as the train driver or the Marine Pilot, with vastly greater responsibility. Both of those have to steer.

So, the person who is tasked with the safety of a thousand people say (500 on their train, and 500 on the approaching one), with a closing speed of c. 200mph and with a facility to avoid a collision - steering away from it - not available to them.................

...............seems like a pretty responsible job to me, and worth paying for

 

[ajohn]

No I'm suggesting market forces dictate pay.

Train problems started in 2016. Have a read

2016–2019 United Kingdom railway strikes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But yes you are correct and that aspect is very likely to be why a train drivers salary area turned out to be where it is.

It should also be a consideration worth regarding concerning peoples academic aims. Too many achieving success in some field or the other reduces their attractiveness so they can finish up being paid less than they expected.

 

[motorbiking]

So, the person who is tasked with the safety of a thousand people say (500 on their train, and 500 on the approaching one), with a closing speed of c. 200mph and with a facility to avoid a collision - steering away from it - not available to them.................

...............seems like a pretty responsible job to me, and worth paying for

don't think you'll find that is the train driver.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

straw man nonsense

Did you not say

No I'm suggesting market forces dictate pay.

I'm happy for my boss to sack me if he can find someone who can do it better for less. I am also happy that I can leave, if I can find an employer who will be paying me more for the same.

That is Dickensian, or worse.

 

[motorbiking]

That is nonsense, or worse

 

[carmanmemoranda]

That is nonsense, or worse

So you think its ok to sack people if you can find someone to do the job cheaper?

No wonder there is a need for Unions. You are the one creating the need, and then complaining about them

 

[Brigadier]

don't think you'll find that is the train driver.

Whatever

 

[motorbiking]

So you think its ok to sack people if you can find someone to do the job cheaper?

No wonder there is a need for Unions. You are the one creating the need, and then complaining about them

No I expect a business to keep overpaying their staff, right up until they go out of business.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No I expect a business to keep overpaying their staff, right up until they go out of business.

If they are overpaying you, again it sounds like bad management.

That does seem to affect you a lot

 

[motorbiking]

Apparently its Dickensian to reduce the pay of over paid staff.