Big Numbers today

[motorbiking]

Jolly good.

 

[ajohn]

Another sort of big number - spam mail today

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Home they finish up with enough to drown in it. I haven't looked to see if rubbing alcohol has gone up.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Home they finish up with enough to drown in it.

They prob didn't have any in the first place. Was on the news a few days ago, lots of legit looking websites selling stuff they don't have, making millions from the virus. Humans are great aren't they?

 

[motorbiking]

Plenty of pyramid scammers (who are also themselves scammed) marketing Juice+ to boost your immune system to fight viruses. The supplements industry is booming.

 

[fillyboy]

Threatening.

Free speech?

As much as you are allowed to say what you like, so can anyone else, surely?

Or are you saying that others (including yourself) can continue to say what they want, but he cannot?

Not threatening at all, and no-one advocates free speech more than I. If however, someone spouts rubbish simply because they can and it aligns with their political agenda, I will shoot them down with facts or at least question their sources, as I do on an almost daily basis.
Before joining this forum I read it for about 2 months and was amazed at some of the 'anti brexit' nonsense being put forward by a small clique which was by and large being accepted as fact, I decided I couldn't watch from the side lines any longer and had to add some balance to the debate.

 

[ajohn]

Small numbers now. It didn't update for the 15th so none?

Then total UK - All out of England?? so relates to ~9m people.
Latest daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
4,605

They still give hospital deaths
Latest daily number of COVID-19 associated UK deaths in hospital
761

Looks like the % deaths / cases is still unbalanced.
England 15%, Scotland 9.1%, Wales 7.5%, N. Ireland 6.4%

I still wonder why this is happening.

All from the new format official figures
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#countries

They have added some coma separated data now but not the xls file that was on the previous site. There has been requests that they retain the in hospital information as before and keep any other testing figures etc separately. Not sure what is what in some cases now.

 

[Munroast]

a lot of the data I can find now is becoming either over complex or unqualified and ambiguous. It seems to be a often used tactic, publish vast amounts of data and claim openness in the knoweldge that no one will be able to work out whats really happening.

Anyway, my chart from worlometers data, looks like most of us may have reached our high points.
France's upturn may be down to nearly a 1000 extra deaths from outwith hospitals being added yesterday.
Still interesting to see Swedens figures considering they have not closed everything down.
Lets hope our downward turn is not lack of counting over the easter break. will find out later today

 

[ajohn]

Sweden is having ~10% hospital deaths on around 11,000 cases very recently. They have always been reckoned to have an excellent health service. Unfortunately I can't read Swedish. It's hard to find out exactly what countries are doing when the language is different.

The FT cases graph is interesting. * show where lock down was introduced. 7 day rolling average so takes out the noise.

 

[Munroast]

trouble is with the confirmed cases data is; it just shows who is doing the most testing. For instance the FT chart suggests germany is suffering as badly as Spain Italy and France, when the truth is they are doing very well by comparison.

 

[ajohn]

trouble is with the confirmed cases data is; it just shows who is doing the most testing. For instance the FT chart suggests germany is suffering as badly as Spain Italy and France, when the truth is they are doing very well by comparison.

I agree but feel that the hospital entries are the best option especially in the UK where testing has been seriously limited. Can't do more or decided not to pass.

This is the FT daily death graph. It seems some countries eg France are including out of hospital. This cropped up in one of the briefs and wasn't denied. We would be noticeably higher than France if these were included but the data out of hospital as has been mentioned wont be accurate.

Some flattened ones will just go on and on while the virus is still around. May be very low numbers but it will. China seems to be the only place that aimed to halt it fully. Us and others - pass it depends on how lock downs end. China cases where it has been reported just mentions people who have come back to China from elsewhere. They quarantine them for 14 days.

Forgot Korea. They were allowing people back in and thermal scanning. As that has resulted in cases there were calls for them to lock the country down. Don't know if that has happened. It's a fact anyway that makes me wonder what will happen in the future if any country leaves it lying around.

 

[JohnD]

The people of Michigan crowded together to demand an end to isolation. Some of the nutters carried guns.

They've had more than 1800 deaths so far, and more than 27,000 cases.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...s-michigan-protesters-defy-stay-at-home-order

There are some things you can't cure.

Trump says US is past the worst.

Perhaps they believe him.

 

[IT Minion]

This is the FT daily death graph. It seems some countries eg France are including out of hospital. This cropped up in one of the briefs and wasn't denied. We would be noticeably higher than France if these were included but the data out of hospital as has been mentioned wont be accurate.

In France they had roughly half their deaths in care homes. In the UK most of those would not be picked up by the PHE stats. Which means we could be as high as twice our reported deaths. ONS stats will probably be closer to reality but they take time to compile.

 

[ajohn]

In France they had roughly half their deaths in care homes. In the UK most of those would not be picked up by the PHE stats. Which means we could be as high as twice our reported deaths. ONS stats will probably be closer to reality but they take time to compile.

This probably why keeping hospital data separately has been mentioned - best option. Anything else should be separate. Hospital is live the others aren't.

There is a cynical view at the back of my mind. Tell 70+ to isolate, isolate some more based on medication and feed them, 3months. Stops them from overloading the NHS. Then lock down the lot to flatten the curve. No numbers for 70+ but 65 and over is around 14million, not all can have food delivered.

Nightingales - the modern equivalent of the old fever hospital maybe. What level of equipment do they have. Could be used to free up the ordinary hospitals completely - maybe. They seem to have announced even more of these.

All depends on lock down easing.

 

[motorbiking]

There was other stats out saying 9 out of 10 had underlying health issues. Lets face it the mortality rate for care homes has got to be something like 99.9%. Fit and healthy old people would be shipped to hospital. Older people at near end of life etc.. they really don't stand much of a chance against this even with the best hospital care.

There are some things you can't cure.

We might have had similar protest without the govt aid packages.

 

[ajohn]

Bit more info on B'ham Nightingale - for recovery. Not much equipment by the look of it. Hard to say. Chair by the bed and something hanging on the end.

The problem with underlying conditions is that people can live a long time with them but may not do if they catch CV19.

An 106year old woman has recovered after 3 weeks of treatment. Assume she is in the west midlands. They thought it was pneumonia.