Big Numbers today

[Brigadier]

What colour is Birmingham?

Why are you asking me, when you already know the answer?
What point are you trying to make?

 

[JohnD]

you already know the answer?

I don't.

 

[motorbiking]

Stop with the politics it's boring.
There are over 30 strains of Covid, with differing potency, we don't know that the strain that has hit Sweden for example is the same one that hit Germany or Italy.

More and more people are easing lockdown compliance. When all this started Police and media were shaming people stopping for a picnic on a walk. Now attitudes have eased. Public mood is turning against the Lockdown as people really fear the consequences.

IMO the economy has already shrunk 20-30%. That could see unemployment easily double.

Based on the numbers over the last 3 or 4 days, we are not yet the other side of the bell curve, increasingly this is looking like a table top.

The UK will have to ease lockdown when its neighbours do.. First to recover will be able to grab some of that lost economic power.

At the end of the day, without effective drug therapy or a vaccine, you can't stop people who will die from it from catching, you only slow the pace. All we are doing is easing the pressure on the NHS and its costing around 10bn a day.

 

[bernardgreen]

All we are doing is easing the pressure on the NHS

which is necessary. Remove lock down and the number of people with Covid-19 will increase rapidly and the NHS and other services will not be able to cope. The death rate ( as a percentage of infected people ) will increase.

Yes it is obvious that the economic situation is bad and is likely to get worse.

But if lock down is reduced now in order to protect the economy then possibly in a year or two there may not be enough people left to maintain the economy.

 

[motorbiking]

But there may be ways to ease it. The distribution of infections is vastly different in different locations. Should we really be having the same policy in Rural England as Central London?

But if lock down is reduced now in order to protect the economy then possibly in a year or two there may not be enough people left to maintain the economy.

I don't think that is true... What do we know so far...

9/10 people who die, have underlying health problems
The mortality rate doubles with every 10 years of age over 40.
Lots and lots of people have had it with only mild symptoms over 80%.

 

[Notch7]

Stop with the politics it's boring

yes we mustnt mention the lack of testing at airports, lack of contact tracing, lack of quick action at the beginning in regards to mass gatherings.
oh and deliberate massaging of the figures by excluding care home / community deaths.

There are over 30 strains of Covid, with differing potency

countries that took early action, closed borders, tested travellers, contact tracing and did loads of testing have lower figures

 

[JohnD]

Stop with the politics it's boring.

Healthcare is politics. Policing is politics. Travel restrictions are politics. Police actions are politics. Lockdown is politics. International relations are politics. Education is politics. Johnson is politics. Parliament is politics.

You'd best move to the Cake Decoration section.

 

[noseall]

The impassioned BHS (Boris Horn Smokers) don't like you criticising Boris get Brexit done Johnson.

 

[durhamplumber]

The impassioned BHS

As opposed to the bitter twisted depressed remainers BHS Boris Hating Society.

 

[noseall]

As opposed to the bitter twisted depressed remainers BHS Boris Hating Society.

Correct. I despise liars. Bozza is one of the finest there is. He needs to pull his finger out.

 

[Notch7]

As opposed to the bitter twisted depressed remainers BHS Boris Hating Society.

being critical of a govt that lies is not being bitter

I'm sure you are intelligent enough to understand

 

[Munroast]

which is necessary. Remove lock down and the number of people with Covid-19 will increase rapidly and the NHS and other services will not be able to cope. The death rate ( as a percentage of infected people ) will increase.

Yes it is obvious that the economic situation is bad and is likely to get worse.

But if lock down is reduced now in order to protect the economy then possibly in a year or two there may not be enough people left to maintain the economy.

I'm not suggesting for one second tthat lock-down should be completely removed any time soon, nor under estimating the loss of life and bereavement this disease is bringing.

However we won't be running out of people anytime soon. In the UK birth rates exceed death rates by over 300 per day, and net migration sees about another 700 people arriving on our shores per day. So even in the darkest days of this pandemic the UK population is still growing.. And globally the world population is still expanding at about 240,000 people every single day. (a city the size of London every month)

 

[JohnD]

if people develop a fear of infection, it can cause breakdown in society much greater than a small percentage of deaths. Imagine gangs of hungry plumbers roaming the streets, looting shops and robbing houses.

Some rural communities already consider outsiders to be dangerous and unwelcome. It wouldn't take much for them to man the barricades with their pitchforks.

 

[transam]

if people develop a fear of infection, it can cause breakdown in society much greater than a small percentage of deaths. Imagine gangs of hungry plumbers roaming the streets, looting shops and robbing houses.

Some rural communities already consider outsiders to be dangerous and unwelcome. It wouldn't take much for them to man the barricades with their pitchforks.

This is the UK

Not

France / Spain / Germany / Romania etc

Mind u Scotland may be a problem

Agree there are some foreign plumbers in the UK could be an issue

 

[transam]

The impassioned BHS (Boris Horn Smokers) don't like you criticising Boris get Brexit done Johnson.

Not sure what u mean by horn smokers Noseall

U seem to have used that term several times

Bit tbh

My father used to smoke a pipe