EV are they worth it?

[JohnD]

Even stranger you can't be bothered with any effort for something important to you.

Wrong. I showed you the link saying "In August 2024, petrol car sales dropped by 17.1%, all four key markets recording significant declines: France (‑36.6%), Italy (-18.8%), Spain (-17.4%), and Germany (-7.4%). Petrol cars now represent 33.1% of the market, down from 32.6% in August last year.

The diesel car market saw a decline of 26.4%, resulting in a 11.2% share of the market last August. Double-digit decreases were observed in almost all European markets."

And hybrids were up.

Which does not support his claim.

But petrol and diesel cars on are a continuous downwards trajectory.

Aren't they, @ReganAndCarter

 

[DiyNutJob]

Which does not support his claim.

You will have to argue with the experts then. They made the claim.

Petrol's are down because cost of living is forcing people into the used market. That's where the meat of the market is, always has been, and always will be.

 

[Avocet]

But this is not 100 years ago, and we are not talking about horses. Did the government insist people stop using horses 100 years ago, and declare that by so and so date no new horses are allowed to be born?

I was talking about your comment:

I literally would not want one even if given free, or getting paid to have one because it creates unnecessary hassles for me.

not any government ban.

 

[Avocet]

You are not counting fire and explosion risks, though. Same like me saying I had a pay raise when I went to the casino. But ultimately I get a pay decrease because the probabilities are against me.

I am counting them, but I'm putting them in their proper place in my considerations - which is that it's a safer bet than having an ICE car in that respect. If the statistics change at some point, I can always review that position. That's the great thing about making decisions on the best facts available at the time, rather than the most hysterical social media propaganda available at the time...

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

In my case, they MORE than justify it! It's been like a £300-a-month pay rise, this last couple of years!

What about the cost of the EV, did you get it for free, or do you not count that as a cost?

 

[Avocet]

You will have to argue with the experts then. They made the claim.

Petrol's are down because cost of living is forcing people into the used market. That's where the meat of the market is, always has been, and always will be.

What?! Have you stopped to actually think about what you've just written? Surely, if EVs are as unaffordable to buy and to run as the anti-EV brigade keeps telling us, it is new EV sales that would be down, not new petrol and diesel sales?

 

[Avocet]

What about the cost of the EV, did you get it for free, or do you not count that as a cost?

Yes, it's a company car. I've said that plenty of times before! It saves me about £100 a month on fuel and £200 a month on tax.

 

[JohnD]

You will have to argue with the experts then.

No I won't

I just read the entire source instead of the few words you picked out in a false attempt to look like you were not posting nonsense.

Petrol and diesel vehicles are on the way out.

 

[Brigadier]

Yes, it's a company car. I've said that plenty of times before! It saves me about £100 a month on fuel and £200 a month on tax.

Similar here.



I ran my 2 litre diesel - company car - for 6 years, always serviced by main dealer.

But, lack of regular longer runs caused the manifold to carb up (according to the 'net, and the dealer mechanics), taking out a number of sensors and making it uneconomic to repair.

Plus, I'd already run it well past the typical replacement point: I'd done 6 years in it.

Spring this year, director (Tesla driver) again raised the topic of me having a new company car (I had been reticent, as the options were crappy - IME - hybrids; not a great driving experience).

"I'll go EV, but not a milk float or tragedy-box (like the other director was, IMO, driving)."

Director was happy and said that, for him, the maths for his Tesla, for both him and the company, made his hybrid Merc uneconomic overnight.


I have to have a company car, as a tool of my work.
An EV works for me, and my work pattern.
Why would I have:
- a hybrid (that, in my experience, is neither a nice driving experience nor any more practical than a full EV), or
- a full ICE (that is no more practical for my work than a full EV is),
when both are >£200 per month more expensive - to me - in BiK, and c. £200 per month more expensive to "fuel"?

 

[DiyNutJob]

I am counting them, but I'm putting them in their proper place in my considerations - which is that it's a safer bet than having an ICE car in that respect. If the statistics change at some point, I can always review that position. That's the great thing about making decisions on the best facts available at the time, rather than the most hysterical social media propaganda available at the time...

Since you keep ICE in garage, we know which way you are betting.

 

[DiyNutJob]

Petrol and diesel vehicles are on the way out.

They are not out until they are out. When trump comes in, EVs will be shut down.

 

[Avocet]

Similar here.



I ran my 2 litre diesel - company car - for 6 years, always serviced by main dealer.

But, lack of regular longer runs caused the manifold to carb up (according to the 'net, and the dealer mechanics), taking out a number of sensors and making it uneconomic to repair.

Plus, I'd already run it well past the typical replacement point: I'd done 6 years in it.

Spring this year, director (Tesla driver) again raised the topic of me having a new company car (I had been reticent, as the options were crappy - IME - hybrids; not a great driving experience).

"I'll go EV, but not a milk float or tragedy-box (like the other director was, IMO, driving)."

Director was happy and said that, for him, the maths for his Tesla, for both him and the company, made his hybrid Merc uneconomic overnight.


I have to have a company car, as a tool of my work.
An EV works for me, and my work pattern.
Why would I have:
- a hybrid (that, in my experience, is neither a nice driving experience nor any more practical than a full EV), or
- a full ICE (that is no more practical for my work than a full EV is),
when both are >£200 per month more expensive - to me - in BiK, and c. £200 per month more expensive to "fuel"?

Yes, much the same here (although, at about 20,000 miles a year and with a heavy right foot, I didn't have the carbon build-up problems)!

But the rest of it, was exactly the same thing. Our MD got himself a Taycan Turbo S, and bloody loved it. (I think my i4 is "quick" but this is insane! Early in my career I drove a few racing cars (development, not competitively) and that Taycan would out-accelerate any of them - even on slicks)! Anyway, a few more of the directors and senior managers got various EVs too. When the time came to replace the 1.5 litre diesel Peugeot 5008 that I was in, they said that the taxation regime was such that I could spend up to £40k on another diesel or £60k on an EV, as even with that price differential, the numbers still made it worth their while.

I was sceptical at first - especially given the "big miles" that I do and the fact that I've always been a "petrolhead", but my curiosity (and right foot!) got the better of me in the end, and I've never looked back! I got a home charger fitted (which I paid for myself), so that took about 3 months to pay for itself, but after that, I've never looked back!

 

[Avocet]

Since you keep ICE in garage, we know which way you are betting.

Yes, I'm betting on the 35 year old Italian car, which I have to maintain out of my own pocket, being more likely to rust than the 2 year old German EV, that is someone else's problem if it goes rusty anyway...

You know what? I reckon I'm on a pretty safe bet...

 

[Avocet]

They are not out until they are out. When trump comes in, EVs will be shut down.

America will probably go backwards, that's for sure, but America's influence on the world stage is waning anyway.

 

[DiyNutJob]

America will probably go backwards, that's for sure, but America's influence on the world stage is waning anyway.

The UK will do monkey see, monkey do. We can expect to see EVs being shut down and big oil making a come back.