EV are they worth it?

[ReganAndCarter]

I think Harry has had a good stab at some figures. Even if the smoker only smoked 20 per day for only 25 years - that's a sizeable stack of cash. Of the few smokers who end up in ICU, I think they have quite comfortably paid for that bed and all their other treatment. Every case is different though. Some will go instantly with a heart attack - others may linger for a lot longer. The fact that can't be contested is that smokers have funded their treament, even before savings on pensions are factored in.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

(which your kamikaze attitude was / is).

I don't smoke and drink moderately.

 

[Avocet]

I think Harry has had a good stab at some figures. Even if the smoker only smoked 20 per day for only 25 years - that's a sizeable stack of cash. Of the few smokers who end up in ICU, I think they have quite comfortably paid for that bed and all their other treatment. Every case is different though. Some will go instantly with a heart attack - others may linger for a lot longer. The fact that can't be contested is that smokers have funded their treament, even before savings on pensions are factored in.

Sorry, but fags haven't been £9-a-pack for 25 years - never mind 50 years! Intensive care isn't the only cost to the NHS - not by a long chalk. The links in Post # 2875 explain it in more detail, but for some reason, you and Harry don't seem to like those...

 

[Brigadier]

As I have never smoked, why do I not have £324k then?

Could it be that I have spent it on other things, and therefore donated to the Exchequer regardless?

 

[Odds]

F. knows why this has come up but Harry is ignoring the rate of inflation rise over the past fifty years....when i started regularly a half ounce of Golden V. cost about £1.50. An ounce about £3.20. Now a 50g pack will cost you about £32.50! If you're going to argue about that you'll have to adjust figures to include price rises accordingly. Before going on to rollies my brand was Embassy #1, or Benny hedges, if i was flush and feeling flash. They were about £1.50 per pack, i think.

 

[Brigadier]

I ........................drink moderately.

Is that a craft beer?

I drink German and Czech beers, and English ales.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Sorry, but fags haven't been £9-a-pack for 25 years - never mind 50 years! Intensive care isn't the only cost to the NHS - not by a long chalk. The links in Post # 2875 explain it in more detail, but for some reason, you and Harry don't seem to like those...

Bare, top line figures, with absolutely no data showing how it was calculated, are totally meaningless. They just make great headlines.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

F. knows why this has come up but Harry is ignoring the rate of inflation rise over the past fifty years....

I deliberately ignored inflation, because everything has increased, along with the inflation - cost of health care, wages, taxes, and the ciggies.

 

[Avocet]

Bare, top line figures, with absolutely no data showing how it was calculated, are totally meaningless. They just make great headlines.

As opposed to just assuming that fags have cost the same for the last 25 years, of course...

 

[Avocet]

I deliberately ignored inflation, because everything has increased, along with the inflation - cost of health care, wages, taxes, and the ciggies.

But the duty has also changed. Nobody gives the proverbial rat's ass about the cost of the baccy itself. It's the smoker's choice to go out an buy it.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

As I have never smoked, why do I not have £324k then?

You blew it all on EVs instead.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Is that a craft beer?

I drink German and Czech beers, and English ales.

No, craft beer always sounds a bit pretentious to me.

Czech lager and English real ale for me.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

As opposed to just assuming that fags have cost the same for the last 25 years, of course...

As a proportion of income, is what matters.

 

[morqthana]

F. knows why this has come up but Harry is ignoring the rate of inflation rise over the past fifty years....when i started regularly a half ounce of Golden V. cost about £1.50. An ounce about £3.20. Now a 50g pack will cost you about £32.50! If you're going to argue about that you'll have to adjust figures to include price rises accordingly. Before going on to rollies my brand was Embassy #1, or Benny hedges, if i was flush and feeling flash. They were about £1.50 per pack, i think.

An ounce cost more than 2 x ½oz?

Anyway - using £1.50/½oz that's £5.29 for 50g

Depending on how you measure it (there are a number of ways, and RPI isn't necessarily the most appropriate), the relative value in 2023 of £5.29 from 1974 ranged from £58.67 to £153.40.

RPI gives £69.63.

Average working man's wage gives £100.40.

So for the man on the Clapham omnibus, smoking (roll-ups, at least) is half the price it was 50 years ago. Whether his body could have withstood 50 years of Boars Head and liquorice papers is another matter....

 

[robinbanks]

Nuclear! Very clean, and much more green than windmills. Better yet, it's not intermittent

But there are solutions to intermittency.. You store the energy when it's available and replenishing quickly and use the store when it's not

Actually like fossil fuels do, where over millions of years they were stored. Right now they're being depleted at a rate that means the store will soon be gone, and then we'll have to wait some hundreds of thousands of years for them to build up again so we can burn them again.

Instead of bashing windmills for being intermittent compared to your beloved fossil fuels, trying to see that it's all the same thing just different timescales (the timescales of fossil fuels being irrelevant to your short life) get on board with a notion that intermittent can be smooth out by technology in a way that you can appreciate it in the time that you have left to live