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Yes, it becomes a police matter.
But you can't blame the police for turning "a blind eye", when the person with mental health problems hasn't done anything wrong.
Define doing something wrong...
Is a mentally unstable person wandering the streets mouthing off doing something that merits a police response?
Or would that mentally unstable person have to have any form of weapon whilst mouthing off to merit a police response?
Mental health problems have rocketed in recent years, and yet the resources to tackle these problems have plummeted...
What you are suggesting is a purely reactive approach, not a proactive one...
In other words wait until someone gets injured/killed before doing anything!
What do mean wait?
You think rozzers have the time to baby sit, all innocent folk, in the expectation that they may or may not break the law?
FFS, lol.
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A crime, or threat of crime. So mouthing off can require police action if people are being threatened and there is risk.
No, the opposite. I am suggesting that there is more social care for mental health, so the police do not need to pick up the pieces.
Anyway, these are isolated incidents. You can throw all the resources in the world at mental health and the police, and still somebody will go out an kill. Around 2 women are killed every week in domestic violence - nobody blames the police for their inaction. Sometimes there really is no solution.
You only need to look at history to see how quickly things go wrong when you tell the police to target people they think might do something wrong. before they do.
Once the legal process is complete, it will be interesting to see what the outcome is for the perpetrator. I'm afraid for me, even it's proven he was suffering from some sort of mental episode at the time, he should nevertheless be locked up for the rest of his natural life, whether in prison or a secure mental health establishment. Someone commented on tv today how calm he seemed to be when moving around.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, x years back there was a change in government strategy to transition people where possible from long term stays in mental health establishments to living in the community. Whilst such policies are to be broadly applauded, the challenge comes when these people suffer some form of relapse/episode. Because of cuts to mental health and social services, the support they require is often lacking.
I do agree with a previous post however that, no matter what services are in place, no government or local authority can fully guard against someone going rogue. They can't watch all of the people all of the time.
And I get fed up with the phrase trotted out by the media 'they were known to police.' So what? What does that even mean? What's the context in which they're 'known'? Thousands upon thousands of people will be known to the police and other authorities to varying degrees.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, x years back there was a change in government strategy to transition people where possible from long term stays in mental health establishments to living in the community. Whilst such policies are to be broadly applauded, the challenge comes when these people suffer some form of relapse/episode. Because of cuts to mental health and social services, the support they require is often lacking.
I do agree with a previous post however that, no matter what services are in place, no government or local authority can fully guard against someone going rogue. They can't watch all of the people all of the time.
And I get fed up with the phrase trotted out by the media 'they were known to police.' So what? What does that even mean? What's the context in which they're 'known'? Thousands upon thousands of people will be known to the police and other authorities to varying degrees.
Go to 1 min 50 secs in and watch the following. Should the guy walking around rambling be lifted? Is he a threat? Also listen to what Charlie is saying about the whole mental health thing, interesting points whether you agree or otherwise.
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Do you live in another country, ie Iran or N Korea?
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Deport him.
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To where?
I will leave you to work that one out
Are you of the Amish religion ? Practioner ??
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Are you a fan of sharia law?I will leave you to work that one out
Are you of the Amish religion ? Practioner ??
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