The Timing and Excuse for War

A rubbish conspiracy theory.

A govt does not allow a 1000+ of its citizens to be brutally murdered
pmsl you truly are naive.
Governments dont allow there citizens to be killed to enter a war , comedy gold
The egyptians must be lying about the warning
 
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Hamas are bankrolled by Iran

Israel and Saudi Arabia were getting close to normalise ties and do trade deals…..something Iran was fearful of

Im sure there’s no connection
I'm struggling to see what Israel has that Saudi Arabia doesn't already have?
 
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Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
 
It is widley believed that Germany wanted war well before the outbreak of WWI in order to disrupt the French/Russian alliance, and to have an equal share of 'a place in the sun', i.e. a colonial empire. But they didn't want to be seen as the aggressor. They need an excuse to be seen as defending against an aggressor. They were earnestly encouraging Austro-Hungary to demand unreasonable demands from Serbia.

The recent incursion by Hamas, and others was a catastrophic, yet difficult to understand, failure by Israeli intelligence, and its military. If Israel has intelligence for the current location of Hamas in Gaza, as they claim, how come it didn't have intelligence on the planned raid by over 1,000 Hamas and others? It doesn't add up.
The incursion ocurred in the weakest point of the defence between Palestine and Israel, yet it appears to have been so poorly defended. 300 Israeli soldiers were killed in that incursion by Hamas, and they were so ill prepared.

The current Israeli government are very much right-wing hardliners. Is it possible, even probable that this Hamas incursion was allowed to happen in order for the Hardline Right wing Israeli government to unleash a disproportinate response on Palestine. Was it a timely enterprise? Is Iran on the verge of a sustainable nuclear weapon, and Israel has decided to act unilaterally, in a now-or-never, pre-emptive strike?
If that is the case, Israel will continue its destruction of Gaza, and West BAnk until Iran has little choice but to act.
Or Israel will make an excuse anyway, to attack Iran.
This would assume Netanyahu is complicit in it. Seems unlikely, as he will take ultimate responsibility for the failure of intelligence, and it's likely to be the end of his political career.
 
This would assume Netanyahu is complicit in it. Seems unlikely, as he will take ultimate responsibility for the failure of intelligence, and it's likely to be the end of his political career.
Thatcher managed to avoid responsibility for the Falklands intel failure, don't count Benji out.
 
I'm struggling to see what Israel has that Saudi Arabia doesn't already have?

Science and technology are Israel's most developed sectors.


Science and technology in Israel is one of the country's most developed sectors. Israel spent 4.3% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on civil research and development in 2015, the highest ratio in the world.[1] In 2019, Israel was ranked the world's fifth most innovative country by the Bloomberg Innovation Index.[2] It ranks thirteenth in the world for scientific output as measured by the number of scientific publications per million citizens.[3] In 2014, Israel's share of scientific articles published worldwide (0.9%) was nine times higher than its share of the global population (0.1%).[4][1]

Israel counts 140 scientists and technicians per 10,000 employees, one of the highest ratios in the world. In comparison, there are 85 per 10,000 in the United States and 83 per 10,000 in Japan.[5] In 2012, Israel counted 8,337 full-time equivalent researchers per million inhabitants.[1] This compares with 3,984 in the US, 6,533 in the Republic of South Korea and 5,195 in Japan. Israel's high technology industry has benefited from both the country's highly educated and technologically skilled workforce coupled with the strong presence of foreign high-tech firms and sophisticated research centres.[6][1]

Israel is home to major companies in the high-tech industry and has one of the world's most technologically literate populations.[7] In 1998, Tel Aviv was named by Newsweek as one of the ten most technologically influential cities in the world.[8] Since 2000, Israel has been a member of EUREKA, the pan-European research and development funding and coordination organization, and held the rotating chairmanship of the organization for 2010–2011.[9][10] In 2010, American journalist David Kaufman wrote that the high-tech area of Yokneam, Israel, has the "world's largest concentration of aesthetics-technology companies".[11] Google Chairman Eric Schmidt complimented the country during a visit there, saying that “Israel has the most important high-tech center in the world after the US.”[12] Israel was ranked 16th in the Global Innovation Index in 2022, down from 10th in 2019.[13]
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So it's fair to say that as a country they've come a long way and at a very fast rate. There's a lot more to their economy than Jaffa oranges.

Saudi are trying to play catch up, their economy has for obvious reasons been centred around the export of oil, they make a lot of money from that and can afford to buy stuff in, but they recognise that won't last forever and they desperately need to diversify their economy and high tech industry & manufacturing is clearly the way forward for them.

Which Middle East country would it be most beneficial to partner up or align itself with, it might be Israel. Which Middle East country has Saudi never particularly rubbed along well with, it might be Iran.
 
A rubbish conspiracy theory.

A govt does not allow a 1000+ of its citizens to be brutally murdered

conspiracy theory idiocy of the highest order.

This would assume Netanyahu is complicit in it. Seems unlikely, as he will take ultimate responsibility for the failure of intelligence, and it's likely to be the end of his political career.
Governments do ignore the intelligence when it wants to start a war without appearing as the aggressor.
Germany pre 1939, USA pre Iraq invasion 2003 s historical examples
What better excuse for such genocidal action against Palestinians than 1000+ Israelis killed.
As UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said, "the Hamas incursion did not occur in a vacuum".
Israel should have expected it, or something lik it. They took their eye off the ball. Was it intentional?

As to Netanyahu's career, it's over anyway, he's on trial for criminal charges when this is all over.
Maybe that's his personal gain from all this, perhaps some kind of delay from those criminal charges, or even some kind of heroism for his genocidal action against Palestinians.
 
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Evidently, DiyNutJob has little understanding of racism.
The EU definition:
2. According to the EU acquis, and specifically Art. 1 of the Council Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA, offences concerning racism and xenophobia are considered to be:
(a) publicly inciting to violence or hatred directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin;
(b) the commission of an act referred to in point (a) by public dissemination or distribution of tracts, pictures or other material;
(c) publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes as defined in Articles 6, 7 and 8 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin when the conduct is carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or hatred against such a group or a member of such a group;
(d) publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising the crimes defined in Art. 6 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal appended to the London Agreement of 8 August 1945, directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group;

The UK version:
Anti-Muslim racism – Legislation or actions which, though not always or necessarily directed against the Muslim religion, effectively discriminate against people from Muslim communities.

It is beyond dispute that racism includes religion, (any religion) as an identifiable group.
To suggest that Muslims and/or Arabs are untrustworty is undoubtedly blatant racism.
 
Having just perused the EU definition of racism, there are aome obvious causes for concern in a) the current Israeli genocidal action against the Palestinians and b) the EU current stance on the issue.

2. According to the EU acquis, and specifically Art. 1 of the Council Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA, offences concerning racism and xenophobia are considered to be:
(a) publicly inciting to violence or hatred directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin;
(b) the commission of an act referred to in point (a) by public dissemination or distribution of tracts, pictures or other material;
(c)
publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes as defined in Articles 6, 7 and 8 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin when the conduct is carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or hatred against such a group or a member of such a group;
(d) publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising the crimes defined in Art. 6 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal appended to the London Agreement of 8 August 1945, directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group;
It's not really a matter of debate whether Israel is committing war crimes and crimes aganst humanity.

It becomes a matter of debate to what extent others are "trivialising crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes" with the perpetual claim that Israel have a right to defend themselves.
Yes, of course they do. But the current onslaught of Gaza and the Palestinians goes way beyond any notion of self-defence.
 
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