There is no such thing as "two tier policing"

[blup]

But many want to persistently drag the discussion back to Rochdale and Rotherham.
It's another hook on which to hang their bigotry.

It certainly is, but it is also true that society as a whole ignored actions by a whole range of individuals and groups back then, and turning a blind eye caused huge harm. Tne police have been consistently unaccountable as the front line enforcers.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

It certainly is, but it is also true that society as a whole ignored actions by a whole range of individuals and groups back then, and turning a blind eye caused huge harm.

The greatest injustice was the ignoring of the abuse endemic within Catholic and Christian organisations, not only in UK, but endemic in other countries also.
But the typical focus by those who want to use it as an excuse to criticise foreigners is always to drag the attention back to the cases of Rotherham and Rochdale. The inquiry has been completed on those cases, the blame has been apportioned. It has taken decades to highlight the abuse committed in religious institutions, and it has only scratched the surface.
The continual attention on Rochdale and Rotherham, by the select few, is typical and illustrates how the concern is not really about sexual and physical abuse, it's far more about grabbing a stick to beat their particular drum.
Hence my repetitive mantra of bigoted people exploiting any hook on which to hang their prejudice.

 

[Notch7]

It certainly is, but it is also true that society as a whole ignored actions by a whole range of individuals and groups back then, and turning a blind eye caused huge harm. Tne police have been consistently unaccountable as the front line enforcers.

Grooming gangs in Rochdale etc has been a monumental failure, but it’s not evidence of 2 tier policing in regards to protests.


The met were deemed institutionally racist.

Ethnic minorities are more likely to face stop and search
Ethnic minorities are more likely to face injury or death from police interactions


This 2 tier policing is just another right wing crock of sh1t
It’s the same bull used to claim BBC are left wing biased.

 

[Notch7]

The greatest injustice was the ignoring of the abuse endemic within Catholic and Christian organisations, not only in UK, but endemic in other countries also.
But the typical focus by those who want to use it as an excuse to criticise foreigners is always to drag the attention back to the cases of Rotherham and Rochdale. The inquiry has been completed on those cases, the blame has been apportioned. It has taken decades to highlight the abuse committed in religious institutions, and it has only scratched the surface.
The continual attention on Rochdale and Rotherham, by the select few, is typical and illustrates how the concern is not really about sexual and physical abuse, it's far more about grabbing a stick to beat their particular drum.
Hence my repetitive mantra of bigoted people exploiting any hook on which to hang their prejudice.

The grooming gangs were ignored for decades because the authorities were scared of being called racist.

I am sure Himmie would’ve been the first person to scream “unfair prejudice”


I agree it’s not relevant to 2 tier policing

 

[ajohn]

The 2 Asians that received racial insults away from the demo's and started a punch up have been given the usual length of sentence a rioter might get.

3 onliners arrested. One sentenced.

If a groomer or group of them are successful what does that mean as far as the targets are concerned?

 

[noseall]

This 2 tier policing is just another right wing crock of sh1t
It’s the same bull used to claim BBC are left wing biased.

Same as 'Brexit will be great for the UK' or 'no go areas' or 'the E U is on the brink' .

Right wing twaddle.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

The grooming gangs were ignored for decades because the authorities were scared of being called racist.

I am sure Himmie would’ve been the first person to scream “unfair prejudice”

No. I agree that grooming gangs have been ignored, but not just for decades, more like centuries, as far as the religious institutions are concerned.
On that basis, it's difficult to conclude that there was any racial bias by the police.
If there was any ignoring of the problem going on., they treated the Asian grooming gangs in the same way as they treated any allegations against religious leaders and institutions.
And let's still remember the majority of sexual abuse is committed by family members of the victim.
So to focus so much attention on the Rochdale and Rotherham incidents, as those with the underlying reasons do, is still to divert attention away from the real problem areas.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

It’s the same bull used to claim BBC are left wing biased.

I suppose many of those who are anti BBC reckon we should be watching the likes of GB News more often to get a balanced view ...

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Grooming gangs in Rochdale etc has been a monumental failure, but it’s not evidence of 2 tier policing in regards to protests.

The met were deemed institutionally racist.

Ethnic minorities are more likely to face stop and search
Ethnic minorities are more likely to face injury or death from police interactions

This 2 tier policing is just another right wing crock of sh1t
It’s the same bull used to claim BBC are left wing biased.

I can't be bothered to look for it, however a few years back I read a peer reviewed paper online essentially about what is now being referred to as two tier policing. Except the paper concentrated on the 60s - 80s and the blind eye that was turned by the police to numerous cases of crimes committed against black and brown people by whites. Ranging from low level to much more serious crime.

I am not suggesting two wrongs make a right. Neither am I excusing for one sec things like the Asian grooming gangs, the perpetrators of whom should face the full force of the law.

However, there is a degree of irony about white people asserting today that there's two tier policing when, for decades (or centuries if you want to explore different aspects of history) black and brown people have faced blatant two tier police and legal systems.

Whether there is or isn't (two tier policing) it's not a nice feeling, is it?

 

[Munroast]

I can't be bothered to look for it, however a few years back I read a peer reviewed paper online essentially about what is now being referred to as two tier policing. Except the paper concentrated on the 60s - 80s and the blind eye that was turned by the police to numerous cases of crimes committed against black and brown people by whites. Ranging from low level to much more serious crime.

I am not suggesting two wrongs make a right. Neither am I excusing for one sec things like the Asian grooming gangs, the perpetrators of whom should face the full force of the law.

However, there is a degree of irony about white people asserting today that there's two tier policing when, for decades (or centuries if you want to explore different aspects of history) black and brown people have faced blatant two tier police and legal systems.

Whether there is or isn't (two tier policing) it's not a nice feeling, is it?

I think it is a bit like a pendulum. Absolutely this country was very racist sexist and homophobic 50 years ago, and without doubt there would have been two tier policing. But since then thankfully all those intolerance's have vanished (albeit a few idiots) and to get here society has needed to adopt tactics like 'positive discrimination' to create a more equal playing field. What we are seeing now is that pendulum has swung to the left (no where near as far left as it was once to the right) and those in society who were once advantaged are having to take an ever so slightly more of a back seat

Hopefully one day that pendulum will come to rest and we will have no more 2 tier societies

 

[Notch7]

What we are seeing now is that pendulum has swung to the left

Not in terms of protests / riots

The pro Palestine marches….weren’t violent towards police or property
Birmingham…was slightly violent but no equivalent to far right violence
BLM protests….weren’t violent towards police.

The far right thugs in Southport, Rotherham etc were very violent towards police and attempts were made to burn down hotels etc…..the fast track court cases and hardship sentences reflect the damage. No two tier policing

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I think it is a bit like a pendulum. Absolutely this country was very racist sexist and homophobic 50 years ago, and without doubt there would have been two tier policing. But since then thankfully all those intolerance's have vanished (albeit a few idiots) and to get here society has needed to adopt tactics like 'positive discrimination' to create a more equal playing field. What we are seeing now is that pendulum has swung to the left (no where near as far left as it was once to the right) and those in society who were once advantaged are having to take an ever so slightly more of a back seat

Hopefully one day that pendulum will come to rest and we will have no more 2 tier societies

Unfortunately I think the UK is still more intolerant and racist than some might realise or want to admit.

I can't remember what they were discussing (it might have been BLM but not 100% sure) however on a news prog the other night they discussed the fact that analysis had been run on all the tweets posted (globally) that were in some way negative towards the subject, ranging from lower level stuff up to hate speech. Something like 80%+ of the tweets originated from the UK ...

 

[Munroast]

Not in terms of protests / riots

The pro Palestine marches….weren’t violent towards police or property
Birmingham…was slightly violent but no equivalent to far right violence
BLM protests….weren’t violent towards police.

The far right thugs in Southport, Rotherham etc were very violent towards police and attempts were made to burn down hotels etc…..the fast track court cases and hardship sentences reflect the damage. No two tier policing

I have zero time for these right wing thugs, they don't deserve to be in society, and I agree with the swift justice meated out, were they even protesting or were they were just out for violence. But why was the law not so determined after the Leeds riots ?
and of course the BLM protests were not violent towards the police, some police even took the knee and joined in.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I have zero time for these right wing thugs, they don't deserve to be in society, and I agree with the swift justice meated out, were they even protesting or were they were just out for violence. But why was the law not so determined after the Leeds riots ?
and of course the BLM protests were not violent towards the police, some police even took the knee and joined in.

Less publicised but still happened.

 

[ajohn]

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