There is no such thing as "two tier policing"

[blup]

Your response does nothing to address the centuries long endemic abuse within the religious institutions, nor the inaction of society to address those issues.

In Catholic Europe society was the church, the power of the Vatican was an early secular example of the EU

 

[blup]

You're talking of two different aspects.
The prioritising and assigning of resources to ongoing issues is totally different to the concept of two-tier policing.
But you've also argued that the police ignored the grooming gangs in Rochdale, so there was no assigning of resources to that issue.
So if the Rochdale issues were ignored, by your logic, even fewer resources would be assigned to extreme right wing gangs.
I think you would now appreciate the illogicality of your argument

Resources can effect policing decisions including two tier policing, some kinds of crime are easier to tackle than others. But two tier policing is also the right wing argument that resources spent on e.g. pride events or carnival participation mean less spend on other crimes, when lack of resourcing is the overwhelming reason for under enforcement.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Saw a video of a mini "riot" in Croydinistan, plod did **** all.

No arrests afterwards?

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

In Catholic Europe society was the church, the power of the Vatican was an early secular example of the EU

You're going back to Medieval times, i.e pre 1500.
Sexual abuse did not begin nor end about Medieval Times.

 

[ajohn]

reason for under enforcement.

What under enforcement?

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Resources can effect policing decisions including two tier policing,

That's a judgement call by the people who assign resources, partly influenced by politicians.
If two-tier policing does not exist, there is no judgement call for assigning resources.

some kinds of crime are easier to tackle than others.

True. And this can give the illusion of two-tier policing.

But two tier policing is also the right wing argument that resources spent on e.g. pride events or carnival participation mean less spend on other crimes,

Pride events and carnival participation are not crimes.
I appreciate that may have been a carelessly composed sentence.
In addition any policing of such events may be as much attributable to counter protests as the main event.

when lack of resourcing is the overwhelming reason for under enforcement.

Yet the previous government chose to reduce funding.
Maybe they wanted further reductions in enforcement?
Sometimes things don't add up, or seem to be tortuous logic.

 

[blup]

That's a judgement call by the people who assign resources, partly influenced by politicians.
If two-tier policing does not exist, there is no judgement call for assigning resources.

That begs the question

True. And this can give the illusion of two-tier policing.

I heard of a free mason and rotariun who was let off a potentially serious speeding infringement because the officer was from the same lodge/organisation. Is that not two tier policing?

Pride events and carnival participation are not crimes.
I appreciate that may have been a carelessly composed sentence.
In addition any policing of such events may be as much attributable to counter protests as the main event.

Two tier policing can be under enforcing or not enforcing at all

Yet the previous government chose to reduce funding.
Maybe they wanted further reductions in enforcement?
Sometimes things don't add up, or seem to be tortuous logic.

Choice maybe, or responding to people's complete unwillingness to accept tax rises. Part of the right wing media response to under resourcing is to pretend it doesn't exist, and all would be well if the police just got on with their job of catching criminals.

 

[JonathanM]

The Royal United Services Institute has said today that there is, indeed, a two tier approach. But actually opposite to the way it has been reported. They are saying that Keir Starmer is underplaying the threat by calling it "far right thuggery" and that, because of its highly organised nature, it should actually be counted as domestic terrorism. Anyway, food for thought!

“There exists a clear double standard, or two-tier approach, in how different forms of extremism are addressed, particularly when comparing security and legal responses to far-right and Islamist violent extremism,”

“Far right-motivated violence is often classified as mere ‘thuggery’ or hooliganism, while similar acts motivated by Islamist extremism would likely be swiftly labelled as terrorism. This inconsistency undermines the perceived severity of far-right threats and hinders the political will and the necessary legal precedent to take equivalent action,”

“While his [Starmer’s] intent was to acknowledge the ideological underpinnings of the violence, the term ‘thuggery’ downplays the organised networked, and ideological components of the riots, as well as the individuals and groups involved,”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...t-attacks-less-harshly-islamist-violence-rusi

 

[ajohn]

counted as domestic terrorism.

What has the DPP said on that subject? In some cases he would be prepared to prosecute some as terrorists. Might that be the part that is highly organised?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I heard of a free mason and rotariun who was let off a potentially serious speeding infringement because the officer was from the same lodge/organisation. Is that not two tier policing?

I've heard of all sorts of stories.

Needs a bit more than "I heard of" to be fully believed though.

If it did/does happen it's more of a personal favour than 2 tier policing.

 

[Odds]

In Catholic Europe society was the church, the power of the Vatican was an early secular example of the EU

Bullsh!t

 

[Odds]

The UK has a “two-tier approach” to extremism that fails to treat far-right attacks as seriously as Islamist ones, a leading thinktank has said. The Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) says rightwing violence “is often classified as mere thuggery” by politicians, prosecutors and the security services. Equivalent acts by Islamists would “swiftly be labelled as terrorism”, it says in an article in the Guardian.

“Rusi’s research suggests that the nature of far-right violence, which is often seen as low impact and disjointed, coupled with institutional bias and racism, means that far-right violence has historically not triggered the same responses from politicians, security services and the media as jihadist violent extremism. “There exists a clear double standard, or two-tier approach, in how different forms of extremism are addressed, particularly when comparing security and legal responses to far-right and Islamist violent extremism,” the article says.

 

[blup]

Bullsh!t

There are definite parallels with Henry 8 breaking with Rome and Brexhit

 

[blup]

I've heard of all sorts of stories.

Needs a bit more than "I heard of" to be fully believed though.

If it did/does happen it's more of a personal favour than 2 tier policing.

Works both ways is my point.

 

[fillyboy]

Pride events and carnival participation are not crimes.

Unless of course somebody breaks the law by committing a crime, for example, eight stabbings at the Notting Hill carnival, are they not crimes?