Trump Re Ukraine

[Notch7]

Neither side paid much attention to the Minsk accord.

false framing

Putin sent in Wagner group to Donbas + Putin funded and armed Russian separatists, many of whom came from Russia

Ukraine was forced into defending the Donbas from being annexed which was Putins aim


it is false to claim "neither side paid much attention to the Minsk accord", the truth is that Ukraine was forced to defend itself

Zelensky used (intenationally illegal) cluster bombs in the pro Russian areas. He wasn't the hero,

the cluster bombs were not used indiscriminately in "pro Russian areas", they were used to attack a rebel held are in Donetsk

you are trying to imply that Zelensky was using cluster bombs in civilian "pro Russian areas" -which is not true

facts and detail matter otherwise we end up with the false narrative you are trying to convey

Yes a swathe of Ukraine voted East in the elections

not true

I suggest your check your facts

 

[Notch7]

Trump has said since early in Act 1 that Europe should be paying a lot more for its own defence, and sorting out its power resources, and he was right.
Euro fiscal rules get in the way of EU countries' defence spending. We, Europe, dragged our feet. The UK spent £3-400Bn on covid, so half a dozen £Bn on defence , which would have taken us to around 4% GDP, could have been possible.
USA doesn't want to pay any more - they don't have spare money let's be honest. Fatty orange and his skippy sidekick are right.

I agree, Europe does need to step up

 

[Notch7]

there is a solution to the threats Trump is making about withdrawing USA support

when the war started in Feb 2022, Europe froze Russian assets..........there are currently $287b held in banks, Europe could release those funds and give them to ukraine to continue financing the war

 

[denso13]

Unless there is some alteration to the two term rules ???

Watch this space, project 2025 is a coming...

 

[MNW67]

I do try not to read Wikipedia if I can help it. I never said he was a high quality person, I didn't bring him up, they did. I was trying to say Zelensky seemingly came from nowhere and nobody questions it. Our media has whitewashed Zelensky and his past. Your post gives him a history which Wikipedia doesn't.

When you say his past has been whitewashed, do you mean in the period when he was President but before this war started and nobody in the West had really heard of him. Or are you talking about before he ran for President. Do you have some links because I have not found anything really by Googling.

 

[denso13]

When you say his past has been whitewashed, do you mean in the period when he was President but before this war started and nobody in the West had really heard of him.

Who knows, he doesn't like explaining himself. No whitewash as far as I can see.

Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky: The comedian president who is rising to the moment

Ukraine's president had no experience of politics when when elected in 2019, but has emerged as a convincing war leader.

www.bbc.co.uk

The comedian turned unlikely president of Ukraine facing down Putin

In 2019, Volodymyr Zelensky - a comedian and actor with no political experience - won a landslide victory in Ukraine's presidential election.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/volodymyr-zelensky-profile-cmd-intl/index.html

How did Volodymyr Zelensky become president of Ukraine?

VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY became the elected president of Ukraine in 2019, but how did the former actor, comedian and political novice end up in a position to lead the country?

www.express.co.uk

 

[gas112]

He has behaved impeccably during Pootin's invasion, he has turned out to be a good choice.

really not lined his own pockets in any way doing a nicola sturgeon and buying property in anothers name

 

[gas112]

false framing

Putin sent in Wagner group to Donbas + Putin funded and armed Russian separatists, many of whom came from Russia

Ukraine was forced into defending the Donbas from being annexed which was Putins aim


it is false to claim "neither side paid much attention to the Minsk accord", the truth is that Ukraine was forced to defend itself



the cluster bombs were not used indiscriminately in "pro Russian areas", they were used to attack a rebel held are in Donetsk

you are trying to imply that Zelensky was using cluster bombs in civilian "pro Russian areas" -which is not true

facts and detail matter otherwise we end up with the false narrative you are trying to convey



not true

I suggest your check your facts

you do know that cluster bombs are illegal regardless who you use them on

 

[denso13]

you do know that cluster bombs are illegal

No, they aren't.

 

[denso13]

really not lined his own pockets in any way doing a nicola sturgeon and buying property in anothers name

No idea, stick up a link and we can look at it.

 

[gas112]

No, they aren't.

Really since when

 

[crystal ball]

how can trump say Zelensky is an unelected dictator whilst sucking putins cock

We need to cut all our ties with america, we were the first country to stand up to hitler, we need to do the same with trump, tell him to shove his fat economy where the sun don't shine

Are you willing to give up our deterrent?

 

[Brigadier]

you do know that cluster bombs are illegal regardless who you use them on

Only if you are a signatory to the Convention.

Which neither Russia nor Ukraine are.

 

[denso13]

Really since when

You claimed it, you prove it.

 

[IT Minion]

Zelensky used (intenationally illegal) cluster bombs in the pro Russian areas

A minor point, those aren't banned by international law.

The cluster munitions use by both Russia and Ukraine (they both started with soviet designed munitions and Ukraine then eventually got hold of US made ones late in the war) are allowed under the Geneva conventions, but many countries have banned them as they can easily be used in ways that violate the law. Plus the 'dud' rates for them means you end up with a horrific cleanup job later.

There has been use of them illegally, Russia has used them on civilian built up areas for example, but they themselves are legal from a technical perspective.