Two Tier Keir Strikes Again

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Isnt that the Telegraph getting confused? Using the same source MBK linked to rather than the Lammy review which was more detailed and the actual cause of these changes?
I don't think so necessarily. I think the 2021 report is off the back of the 2017 review but I could be wrong.
 
I don't think so necessarily. I think the 2021 report is off the back of the 2017 review but I could be wrong.

I wasn't totally convinced by the Telegraph. I got the feeling they might be cherry picking statistics.
 
I wasn't totally convinced by the Telegraph. I got the feeling they might be cherry picking statistics.
I am surprised there is little to no outrage on here regards the discrimination towards non-ethnic homosexual men which is about to be legislated.
 
I am surprised there is little to no outrage on here regards the discrimination towards non-ethnic homosexual men which is about to be legislated.

Why are you concentrating on homosexual men in particular. Aren't all non-ethnic men affected, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. Unless I have got the guidance wrong :unsure:
 
Why are you concentrating on homosexual men in particular. Aren't all non-ethnic men affected, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual. Unless I have got the guidance wrong :unsure:
I don't play when you get spikey.
 
18 days to go until being a white heterosexual or homosexual male will see you sentenced differently for committing a crime in the UK in comparison to an ethnic heterosexual or homosexual male or female.
Nonsense, it covers pre-sentencing reports not sentencing itself.
 
Nonsense, it covers pre-sentencing reports not sentencing itself.

3. Pre-sentence reports (PSRs)​

Requesting a PSR​

When considering a community or custodial sentence, the court must request and consider a pre-sentence report (PSR) before forming an opinion of the sentence, unless it considers that it is unnecessary (section 30 of the Sentencing Code). A pre-sentence report may also be requested by a defence legal representative as part of the before-plea protocol.
 
which guide magistrates and judges, on sentencing.

Its two-tier justice.

There is an assumption that BAME men get harsher sentences than White Men. The solution is not to investigate why (e.g. type of crime, violence, organised etc). But to find a way to give lower sentences. Enter the pre-sentence report. Job done, box ticked.

Female or BAME.
Get a report.
Male and White
No report.
 
Your alternative opinion is noted.

You cannot possibly make an argument that people should get different rights and procedures, based on their ethnicity and religion in the criminal justice process. its bonkers.

If you are White British male, you are more likely to go to prison than those who are given special treatment.

Experts agree

 
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Does a pre sentencing report take into consideration any past offences the guilty party has been convicted of?
 
Does a pre sentencing report take into consideration any past offences the guilty party has been convicted of?
I think so:

'Previous convictions
The existence of one or more relevant previous convictions should not generally be used as the sole basis to justify the case passing the custody threshold.
Numerous and frequent previous convictions might indicate an underlying problem (for example, an addiction or experience of domestic abuse) that could be addressed more effectively through a community order with relevant requirements and will not necessarily indicate that a custodial sentence is necessary, even where a custodial sentence has previously been imposed. This may be particularly true for young adults (aged typically 18-25).'
 
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