Two Tier Keir Strikes Again

[MNW67]

What would be the point of pre sentence reports if they aren't to effect judges decisions on sentencing.

It is quite a subtle argument, from what I have read. The theory is that an overwhelmingly white judiciary may feel less connection with people from ethnic minorities. This in turn leads to a small unconscious bias in sentencing. And the idea is that by learning more about such defendants through a pre-sentence report, this bias will be corrected.

 

[Sunshine32]

It is quite a subtle argument, from what I have read. The theory is that an overwhelmingly white judiciary may feel less connection with people from ethnic minorities. This in turn leads to a small unconscious bias in sentencing. And the idea is that by learning more about such defendants through a pre-sentence report, this bias will be corrected.

What radical twaddle. You're spouting ideological intersectional carp.

 

[denso13]

Some evidence seems to suggest there is a disparity in sentencing between different groups, but in any event pre sentencing reports don’t require a lighter sentence, sentencing still being down to the judge.

Yes, just an attempt to give judges all the information they need.

https://academic.oup.com/bjc/article/64/5/1189/7612940

"Ethnic disproportionality in criminal justice outcomes has been documented in subsequent government reports with the most recent report (Ministry of Justice 2021) showing that ethnic minority defendants were between 4 and 28 per cent more likely to be remanded in custody and to have a consistently higher average custodial sentence length (ACSL), than white defendants."

 

[MNW67]

What radical twaddle. You're spouting ideological intersectional carp.

I am just trying to explain what the sentencing council are saying. Maybe not everyone is aware of the argument they are making.

 

[blup]

What would be the point of pre sentence reports if they aren't to effect judges decisions on sentencing.

Because they are there to inform their decisions, not prescribe them. The judge must still look at all the factors. Prison sentences have massively increased over the years and so has offending, so somethings not working. That is the challenge for society unless you favour the lock up em up and throw away the key approach . Not even Bobby J has adopt that approach

 

[Sunshine32]

Because they are there to inform their decisions, not prescribe them. The judge must still look at all the factors. Prison sentences have massively increased over the years and so has offending, so somethings not working. That is the challenge for society unless you favour the lock up em up and throw away the key approach . Not even Bobby J has adopt that approach

Pre sentence reports are there to pressure judges to give more lenient sentences to specific cohorts or else every person found guilty of a criminal offence would have a pre sentence report.

Yes I believe a criminal should pay penance when they have committed an act of criminality. By the sound of it, you think they shouldn't even get a slap on the wrist. Prisons have become like youth clubs. They need overhauling.

 

[MNW67]

Pre sentence reports are there to pressure judges to give more lenient sentences to specific cohorts or else every person found guilty of a criminal offence would have a pre sentence report.

Yes I believe a criminal should pay penance when they have committed an act of criminality. By the sound of it, you think they shouldn't even get a slap on the wrist. Prisons have become like youth clubs. They need overhauling.

Everyone getting one is something I suggested earlier.

 

[blup]

Pre sentence reports are there to pressure judges to give more lenient sentences to specific cohorts or else every person found guilty of a criminal offence would have a pre sentence report.

That is verging on a conspiracy theory

Prisons have become like youth clubs.

That bad is it

 

[Sunshine32]

That is verging on a conspiracy theory

You're nuts.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

18 days to go until being a white heterosexual or homosexual male will see you sentenced differently for committing a crime in the UK in comparison to an ethnic heterosexual or homosexual male or female.

Wonder what they will do if offenders are half caste.

 

[blup]

You're nuts.

Nobody is putting pressure on judges, they take into account what they are required to. The British judicial system is not run like a headline writing meeting at the daily fail

 

[Sunshine32]

Nobody is putting pressure on judges, they take into account what they are required to. The British judicial system is not run like a headline writing meeting at the daily fail

Are you dumb or just full on commie? Let me spell it out for you. Pre Sentence reports must be considered by judges when considering sentencing for certain cohorts. They aren't take it or leave it. They aren't applicable to all offenders.

 

[motorbiking]

Some evidence seems to suggest there is a disparity in sentencing between different groups, but in any event pre sentencing reports don’t require a lighter sentence, sentencing still being down to the judge.

and there could be a dozen or more reasons why which are nothing to do with ethnic group. If you look at what PSRs are and how they are conducted, you will be aware that this enables the offender to bring in to account circumstances which might lead to a lower sentence.

if the judge ignores the PSR, it could lead to a successful sentence appeal.

 

[Sunshine32]

Wonder what they will do if offenders are half caste.

Well I'm mixed race and I don't see why I should be singled out for special treatment if I were to commit a crime. What the hell has my skin colour got to do with it?!? It is all radical ideology.

 

[MNW67]

Are you dumb or just full on commie? Let me spell it out for you. Pre Sentence reports must be considered by judges when considering sentencing for certain cohorts. They aren't take it or leave it. They aren't applicable to all offenders.

I don't think it is quite that prescriptive. I think the wording is "will normally be considered necessary".