Who exactly is a 'working person' according to Labour?

[carmanmemoranda]

its funny how people who don't know how to become wealthy, think its easy.

The easiest way is to be born into such a family

 

[denso13]

So a more honest answer would be:

When I can see the benefits of others paying more.

No. I am personally happy to contribute more if there are benefits to it. And not personal benefits for that matter.

We aren't all motivated by greed.

 

[Notch7]

Or you could research it and you’ll see that I’m right and your wrong… again

You are a filthy liar

You posted a bogus link that proves FA

Public vs private 45/55%. “Vast majority” oh no Notchy lad you are a clown.

that’s total government spending ya muppet.

Government spending includes: interest on debt, social security payments, none of which can assessed in terms of productivity. If you look at good and services it’s 20% - but even that contains a lot of private sector element.

United Kingdom Government spending, percent of GDP - data, chart | TheGlobalEconomy.com

The United Kingdom: Government spending as percent of GDP: The latest value from 2023 is 20.73 percent, a decline from 21 percent in 2022. In comparison, the world average is 16.14 percent, based on data from 130 countries. Historically, the average for the United Kingdom from 1960 to 2023 is...

www.theglobaleconomy.com

 

[motorbiking]

You don't appear to understand what productivity is. Let me know when you do and we can carry on the debate.

Here's a hint spending is not productivity.

or you can keep looking like a clown.

 

[ajohn]

Government spending includes: interest on debt, social security payments, none of which can assessed in terms of productivity.

It can be in terms of numbers of people it needs to do what ever it is they are doing / handling.
A rather ancient problem for larger concerns that employ lots of people. Just how do you limit the number of people that in some respect are not needed. Work load could be shifted to others that are already employed etc and ideas like that.

I too couldn't see any reason for his post.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

A working person is someone who gets his income from wages not from assets

Does Lord Alli count as wages or assets?

 

[ajohn]

Here's a hint spending is not productivity.

Even you should realise that it can relate directly. It depends on what is bought. This might even include more people via wages changes. Technology can clearly figure.

A number of balls are already rolling.

 

[motorbiking]

oh indeed. Which is why I correctly stated that UK productivity problems are in the public sector.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

No. I am personally happy to contribute more if there are benefits to it. And not personal benefits for that matter.

We aren't all motivated by greed.

That's the million dollar question. How often is the subject of inefficiency raised when it comes to financial planning of government and councils. It's rhetorical because the answer as we all know is 'frequently.'

I think many (most?) of us aren't necessarily against 'paying more' if we had confidence of seeing actual tangible improvements months and years down the line. The concern is how much of an increased tax take etc would simply go towards an ever bloated and inefficient system?

 

[ajohn]

UK productivity problems are in the public sector.

And you ignore cures by stating an aspect that is entirely incorrect.

The private sector has other problems but cost related fixes are very similar.

 

[motorbiking]

By "Cures" do you mean ideas that haven't been implemented? Yes you would ignore anything that fits in to the category "shoulda, woulda, coulda"

 

[ajohn]

By "Cures" do you mean ideas that haven't been implemented? Yes you would ignore anything that fits in to the category "shoulda, woulda, coulda"

You effectively stated that extra expenditure can not increase productivity.

 

[Murdochcat]

When I can see the benefits of paying more.

How does that work then? Paying taxes is for the good of all, not just your pet projects

 

[motorbiking]

You effectively stated that extra expenditure can not increase productivity.

No I don't think I did.

I stated:

Yes. The failings were the squabling and the divison. The economic problems are largely a hang over from Covid shutfowns. Our productivity issues are mainly limited to public sector. Tax and spend wont change the quality of servies if you don't try to fix the issues and if you hit people hard they will simply sit on their assets or take steps to reduce their other taxes.

The way you fund the public sector is to have a strategy that makes the UK an attractive place to do business. So far the mood music under labour is not looking good.

Rachel Reeves would know this had she actually been an economist during her time at HBOS.

 

[denso13]

How does that work then?

By saying, for example, we will increase x and use the income to pay for y.

Paying taxes is for the good of all, not just your pet projects

Of course it is.