I find it VERY ODD that the uk / SNP wants to ban more extraction but is happy to burn imported fuel
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More extraction won't come on stream until 2032 or so. Which means when we're on the down slope for Oil use.
It's like investing in Blackberry after the iPhone was released or Kodak after digital cameras took off.
More extraction just postpones the inevitable. It's a finite resource, so leaving it in the ground while we burn other peoples' stocks, (and England pays for most of it), will only make it more valuable. They might still harbour dreams of independence, and if so, sitting on it until they are independent would be a smart move.
Of course, given the environmental problems, it might actually be better just to leave it in the ground forever.
Of course, given the environmental problems, it might actually be better just to leave it in the ground forever.
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Because Brits enjoy self flagelation.
All the green crap that makes life more effort, when we can't hope to offset the massive rising footprint of some other countries who don't give a toss.
Good to see Lego are bringing out a Luton Airport ICE edition...
Looks more like the Glasgow Airport version to me.
Yep; governments. The ones who insist we consume less, but panic about the economy when we do.
How do you know they won't give a toss? If you repeat something to them 1000 times, it might work. They can be a bit dumb.
China allows two new coal power stations per week. They're not dumb, backwards yes but not dumb - just growing their economy without giving a toss about the environment. Makes a nonsense of us banning plastic spoons and sorting our old newspapers from yogurt pots.
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Quite so.
We are virtue signalling our way into oblivion.
But, clearly, its a industry led scam. Much money to be made in green engineering.
They got suckered into EV's. It's the clearest sign of dumbness.
They are not backwards, and they are the most advanced in the world. They have all of american tech because the only way the american merchants can sell to the world is through the proxy of china.
Banning spoons is to convince china to go green. This is to constrain their power, and it may work. Retarding the chinese population growth while encouraging indian population to grow demonstrated working of the technique.
Sorry, but China is already neck-and-neck with us on renewables.
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China's installed non-fossil fuel electricity capacity exceeds 50% of total
China's non-fossil fuel energy sources now exceed 50% of its total installed electricity generation capacity, state media outlet Xinhua said on Monday, citing an official at state planner the National Reform and Development Commission.
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And here's where they were in 2022.
China could exceed renewables generation target of 33% by 2025
China is on track to meet its 33% electricity consumption target from renewables by 2025 and could comfortably exceed it amid ongoing efforts to debottleneck the power grid to accommodate more renewab
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They are likely to pass us very soon, leaving us trailing in their wake and crying into our beer about how the rest of the world is leaving us behind...
Looks like you're going to have to find somewhere else to moan about being dirtier than us, rather than getting our finger out and being the best...
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We mostly charge ours at home, for under £6 for a full 0-100% charge.
This is good when you're not doing long journeys.
This cheap cost falls down when you have to use the public charger network. Never mind the lack of chargers or their reliability, the biggest issue to us is the cost of charging when using a public charger.
Mrs S likes hoofing the car, so the miles per charge are lower, around 200.
We worked out the range of the old car per tankful was roughly twice that of the EV.
As it would cost about £90 to fill up the old car, that meant that if the EV cost more than £45 to fully charge, that would mean it would cost more than the old car in terms of fuel.
So far, we have used a fast charger to top up the car and a 7kW charger at a hotel on our first long journey.
Using these public chargers brings the cost of a full charge very close to the cost of fuelling our previous Diesel car.
This is good when you're not doing long journeys.
This cheap cost falls down when you have to use the public charger network. Never mind the lack of chargers or their reliability, the biggest issue to us is the cost of charging when using a public charger.
Mrs S likes hoofing the car, so the miles per charge are lower, around 200.
We worked out the range of the old car per tankful was roughly twice that of the EV.
As it would cost about £90 to fill up the old car, that meant that if the EV cost more than £45 to fully charge, that would mean it would cost more than the old car in terms of fuel.
So far, we have used a fast charger to top up the car and a 7kW charger at a hotel on our first long journey.
Using these public chargers brings the cost of a full charge very close to the cost of fuelling our previous Diesel car.
Similar story here. The fastest public chargers are eyewateringly expensive. Instavolt are about the worst, at up to 85p per kWh. Others are a bit less. Gridserve, I find, are very good. Not only generally reliable, but their 50kW ones are 69p per kWh and those above 50kW are 79p. For me, charging on an Instavolt makes it something like 25p / mile, which is a bit more than my last ICE (although to be fair, the EV has about 3 times as much power)! For the most part, I save a lot of money, because charging from home is more like 5p a mile. On a long trip in this weather, that means the first 250 miles of any long trip is about 5p/mile and the rest about 22p/mile (although, there are subscriptions that you can pay, which bring that cost per kWh right down, in return for a monthly payment (e.g. Ionity comes down to about 40p per kWh in return for £11.30 a month and BP Pulse chargers (also pretty reliable) are 55p per kWh (up to 150 kW) or 65p per kWh (over 150 kW), in return for £7.85 / month.
I was heartened today, to see 16 brand new Osprey high speed (150kW) chargers have just come online outside my local supermarket / Halfords / B&Q.
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