EV are they worth it?

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Internet says you are wrong:

Unlike flammable substances, such as gasoline or paper, salt is non-combustible and doesn't catch fire. This is because salt, chemically known as sodium chloride (NaCl), has a high melting point of 801 degrees Celsius (1474 degrees Fahrenheit).

And this is just one of the areas where your profound ignorance lets you down. The reason table salt is inert and non flammable, is because it is a SALT of sodium, (sodium chloride in fact). The sodium in table salt is not there in its metallic form. (It has nothing to do with melting point, it's because it's really hard to break the chemical bonds between a sodium and a chlorine atom).

The same can be true of some lithium batteries. You've picked a video there, of one particular type of "lithium" battery - lithium metal batteries, where the anode is (literally) sheet of metallic lithium foil. However, there are other types of "lithium" battery (lithium ion, for example, or lithium iron phosphate) where, (like table salt), the lithium is NOT in its metallic form. Of course, in your ignorance, you're running round going "Ooooo lithium" Scary! wooo wooo"! As far as you're concerned, anything with the word "lithium" in it, is scary. And like most empty vessels, you do make a great deal of sound on the subject... :rolleyes:

So, just like sodium is an extremely reactive metal, but not everything with sodium in it, is likely to explode on contact with water, so lithium (and indeed all those metals down the left hand side of the periodic table), are highly reactive metals, but not everything that contains them, contains them in their raw, metallic form.

For pity's sake, educate yourself before gobbing-off and making a fool of yourself!

 
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EV burning under water. I'd like to see an ICE, or a salt shaker doing same.

 
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However the e-bike I take off charge end of season, and when I have come to use it again, the guage says full, but range two thirds of that expected. After first charge of season it is back to normal.
All rechargeable batteries will lose a bit of charge over time. If you leave it sat around for a month then you'll see a noticeable dip in the charge levels.
 
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No.

Here's proof of my claim:
Clickbait videos make by FUDites are not proof of anything.

My entire belief system is from the ignitability of lithium. It's proven to ignite from mundane environmental elements such as water and heat.
EV batteries do not contain lithium metal. Neither do the batteries in phones, tablets, power tools and most everything else. These are all examples of lithium ion batteries.

There are some primary cells which do contain lithium metal, such as CR2032 and similar coin cells, and some 9V types as used in 'sealed for life' smoke alarms and other specialist applications where a very long life at very low current is required.
These would be entirely useless for EVs, phones and most everything else as they are not rechargeable.
 
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Clickbait videos make by FUDites are not proof of anything.


EV batteries do not contain lithium metal. Neither do the batteries in phones, tablets, power tools and most everything else. These are all examples of lithium ion batteries.

There are some primary cells which do contain lithium metal, such as CR2032 and similar coin cells, and some 9V types as used in 'sealed for life' smoke alarms and other specialist applications where a very long life at very low current is required.
These would be entirely useless for EVs, phones and most everything else as they are not rechargeable.
Internet doesn't agree:

What happens if you put a lithium ion battery in water?

When exposed directly to water, the lithium within lithium batteries can, unfortunately, have a dramatic and potentially dangerous chemical reaction. They combine to form combustible hydrogen and lithium hydroxide, both of which battery owners should avoid.
 
There was plenty when I wrote my post....

...it obviously went over your head.

However, since you need things spelling out to you, for the avoidance of doubt, NO I DO NOT lie in bed at night, worrying about whether my ICE is going to torch itself and maybe my house. And that's because I know it's less likely to happen than with any of the ICEs parked round the house. Your problem, is that you've started to believe your own bull_shit. ;)

If someone isn't concerned about guillotining themselves with their own brake disc when it's perched on some knocked-up pallet carcasses, I doubt they lose sleep over anything much.

Ignorance is bliss: ignoramus must be nirvana (y)
 
Lithium doesn't do well from impacts.
Neither does a big tank of liquid fuel.


When exposed directly to water, the lithium
Yes, metallic lithium reacts with water.

Lithium-ion batteries are unrelated.
Lithium ion is not metallic lithium.
Rechargeable lithium ion batteries do not contain metallic lithium.
 
Neither does a big tank of liquid fuel.



Yes, metallic lithium reacts with water.

Lithium-ion batteries are unrelated.
Lithium ion is not metallic lithium.
Rechargeable lithium ion batteries do not contain metallic lithium.
Metallic or not lithium reacts to water.
 
Carry on believing whatever you want.
You shouldn't carry on. Let internet tell you:

Does lithium-ion contain lithium?

That's why lithium-ion batteries don't use elemental lithium. Instead, lithium-ion batteries typically contain a lithium-metal oxide, such as lithium-cobalt oxide (LiCoO2). This supplies the lithium-ions. Lithium-metal oxides are used in the cathode and lithium-carbon compounds are used in the anode.
 
EV burning under water. I'd like to see an ICE, or a salt shaker doing same.


So.... let me get this right, then...

When you put a battery in a big waterproof (that's the clue, by the way, for the terminally hard-of-thinking), metal box and the battery has a fire, and you put the battery (in it's waterproof box) under water....

...the fire doesn't go out?

Well blow me down! You don't say?! :rolleyes:

Maybe.... that's why fire brigades pouring water on a burning EV (whose fire is inside a waterproof metal box), doesn't put the fire out, either? :unsure:

Maybe, that's why when someone with half a brain in their head, pops a hole in the waterproof box, and fills the waterproof box, containing the fire, with water...


...they're actually quite easy to put out!

So you run about like a headless chicken, and leave the actual thinking to people who are capable of it, eh?
 
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