EV are they worth it?

[ReganAndCarter]

Rubbish. I'd sooner support mandatory smoking.

Yes, agree, because doing so is as ridiculous as banning smoking in the open air. The zealots can't stop salivating when they hear about banning others' freedoms - eg. the right to own ICEs or smoke outdoors. Their leader Keir Stalin says jump, they say "how high?"

My local has no gargen, only a small smoking deck area out the back. It is used only by smokers - no one else goes there because it's not really the sort of place you would want to loiter, especially in cooler months, being outside the gents toilets. So when Stalin gets his way, this smoking deck will be completely unused and the pub will likely lose a few paying customers who are vital to it's survival. So what happens to this area? Will it become a no smoking deck, where the ban everything zealot idiots will suddenly flock to this pub to go and take in a pint and lung fulls of fresh air?

 

[Brigadier]

Yes, but climate change and net zero allows them to take it to a different level. Our energy bills are now loaded and the prices have multiplied several times in the last 25 years. Every new 'green' initiative by governments means more costs for us. Someone somewhere is getting wealthy from all this.

Someone somewhere has been getting very wealthy from fossil fuels, for decades.

BP - by no means the biggest - has been making a billion or more a month in profits for years.

And you think "green" is costing you?

 

[Brigadier]

Many times I have had my pub garden eating and drinking spoiled by smokers.

It happens.

 

[DiyNutJob]

Mobility scooter?

Non-electric version of these to save all the faffing around. Small enough to go in a town house garage. Fast enough for motorway. Good for grocery and run around. Small enough to do a quick ninja unpaid parking. 3 wheels means no need to swerve or fall over.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Many times I have had my pub garden eating and drinking spoiled by smokers.

It happens.

Nothing worse than eating whilst others smoke. People get offended if asked to move away whilst smoking. It happens

 

[DiyNutJob]

Many times I have had my pub garden eating and drinking spoiled by smokers.

It happens.

I made profit selling British American Tobacco shares the other day. People smoking in pubs is good for the economy.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Non-electric version of these to save all the faffing around.

The battery mobility, does all I need for local. Then the diesel for anything else. I've had lots of motorbikes in my time, even a 3-wheeler car at one time. The problem with bikes, is they are near as expensive as a car to run. Great for entertainment, but not very practical, or cheap.

The mobility scooter, is simple, not much to go wrong, charges in an hour or two after use. It's a Class II, bought originally for my deceased partner, who made almost no use of it. I used it briefly, out of curiosity, then promptly forgot about it, before resurrecting it a few months ago, by when it needed new batteries. Since when, it's been in fairly regular use by me. It lacks suspension, not really allowed on the road - but some local roads lack footpaths, so I take my chances on the road. I've been so impressed with its usefulness, I have been considering buying a better one, a Class III. Class I is limited to 4mph, Class I to 6mph, Class III 8mph, all three can go on the footpath, only III on the road. III needs to be registered (free), and have lights, indicators etc. There is a III, which can be reset, to go at 16mph, which I had my eye on.

 

[DiyNutJob]

Pro tips: when flooded, all lithium should be moved 50 ft from the house.

 

[Avocet]

Not worried about a response. You will find I don't get into long 6 page arguments with people who are invariably wrong. It's just futile and boring.

Yes, it's difficult to win arguments when you have no credible position yourself...

I just post my opinions, maybe one or two more posts to correct others' misconceptions - that's it. Don't care if anyone responds or not.

Although funny enough, whenever you try that, you end up getting a "schooling"!

 

[Avocet]

I'm sorry but that's complete nonsense. How often have you left a pub garden because the smoke was opressive? How often have you left a pub garden and found your clothes smelling of smoke? Never happened, has it? How often do you even frequent pub gardens?

Smoke outside is so diluted and is carried away. You may be able to get a waft of smoke, but it's just a faint smell unless sitting right next to a smoker (you could always move) - will do no harm at all.

When they spoke about banning smoking in pubs there were legions of people who said they would go to the pub now, because there was no smoke in them. They never turned up and pubs are dying. The same people who now complain (in fact they don't because I've never heard any complaints about outdoor smoking, so it's just Brigadier) likely never go in a pub, let alone a pub garden. Unlikely that they never will. They're just killjoys who want to take away someone else's enjoyment and hammer the final nail into the coffin of struggling pubs.

That's not actually true. Once they stopped being so smoke-filled, people started bringing their kids into pubs - someone them even installed soft play areas. These were people who previously, had been forced to give the pub a miss for the sake of the health of their children. What's killing pubs off, is the availability of cheap booze in supermarkets.

Banning smoking outdoors is just complete control freakery. If you want to live in a totally sterile world, pubs may not be for you. Anyway, the air is far more polluted by our lovely ICE vehicles. Best stay at home, indoors under the stairs, in case your delicate consitution is offended by the faint waft of someone enjoying a Benson.

I don't think the ban on outdoor smoking is primarily for air quality. I think it's just tightening the screws a bit further on a habit that costs the NHS £millions each year, and ties-up scarce resource that could be used to care for people who don't actually want to kill themselves?

 

[Avocet]

I made profit selling British American Tobacco shares the other day. People smoking in pubs is good for the economy.

Then why did you sell your shares? Surely hanging on to them and reaping the massive dividend would be better?

 

[Avocet]

The battery mobility, does all I need for local. Then the diesel for anything else. I've had lots of motorbikes in my time, even a 3-wheeler car at one time. The problem with bikes, is they are near as expensive as a car to run. Great for entertainment, but not very practical, or cheap.

The mobility scooter, is simple, not much to go wrong, charges in an hour or two after use. It's a Class II, bought originally for my deceased partner, who made almost no use of it. I used it briefly, out of curiosity, then promptly forgot about it, before resurrecting it a few months ago, by when it needed new batteries. Since when, it's been in fairly regular use by me. It lacks suspension, not really allowed on the road - but some local roads lack footpaths, so I take my chances on the road. I've been so impressed with its usefulness, I have been considering buying a better one, a Class III. Class I is limited to 4mph, Class I to 6mph, Class III 8mph, all three can go on the footpath, only III on the road. III needs to be registered (free), and have lights, indicators etc. There is a III, which can be reset, to go at 16mph, which I had my eye on.

I knew you'd come to appreciate EVs one day... If it's any consolation, mine's speed-limited too. It won't do more than 118, but it gets there pretty quick...

 

[Brigadier]

My kids are young enough - just - to have been born after the smoking ban came in.

They are therefore unlikely to suffer from any smoking-related illness, unless they stupidly try to inflict one on themselves.

It's not all about you, R&C.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

That's not actually true. Once they stopped being so smoke-filled, people started bringing their kids into pubs - someone them even installed soft play areas.

You mean the ones just about hanging on that weren't wiped out by the smoking ban, etc?

So you don't want people's smoke inflicted on you, but it's ok to inflict their unruly, screaming kids. Jeez, if any of the pubs I use started admitting kids, I would stop going there. Pubs are/should be one place where adults go to get away from such things. Kids get very bored in pubs because there's not much there for them. Also, British kids are particularly badly behaved especially at a table. On the contrary, when on the continent children are much better behaved in restaurants because they are made to sit at the table and interact with their parents/other adults with them. They aren't allowed to run around screaming and disturb others. When I was a child in the 70s, kids weren't allowed in pubs. If we were on holiday, we might be allowed in the garden with a coke and crisps. That's fair enough.

Those who want screaming kids and soft play areas - are perfectly catered for in McDonalds. That's where they should stay.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

My kids are young enough - just - to have been born after the smoking ban came in.

They are therefore unlikely to suffer from any smoking-related illness, unless they stupidly try to inflict one on themselves.

It's not all about you, R&C.

It's also not all about you either, Brigadier.

How many smoking diseases will you suffer from the odd waft of someone's Benson on the rare occasion you sit in a Harverster pub garden?

Smoke outside is so diluted it's of zero danger to anyone but the smoker. Let's see the evidence that OUTSIDE smoking harms others???

Killjoy control freaks have driven smokers out of pubs, fair enough. Now they want to drive them away completely and kill off the last remaining pubs. Then other killjoys will start curtailing other freedoms - perhaps some of the freedoms the killjoys on here enjoy. I say all this as a non smoker. Be careful what you wish for!