Major Incident In Southport

[fillyboy]

Has there been an official denial that he was on the MI6 watchlist?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Has there been an official denial that he was on the MI6 watchlist?

If he was or wasnt, does that make direct attacks on the police ok?

Those that do, and those that support, are just thugs.

Need tasering and a good kicking. But that appears only to be acceptable for some.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Vinty is on one of his rabid diatribes again.

The British working class are fast becoming the new Palestinians.

What? They're being subject to official discrimination and unwarranted acts of state sponsored killings?
Got any examples?

Uncontrolled immigration is displacing the indigenous population and replacing it with alien cultures.

Where are these "displaced indigenous" going?
Any examples?

The money class and other vested interests don't care because their wealth insulates them from the reality of every day life, there is a conflict of interest between capital and labour.

Is this a new phenomenon?
Or has it been like that since currency was invented?

The business class want cheap labour and mass immigration provides it,

Any proof, esteemed studies, or peer-tested reviews that immigration lowers wages?

the, workers don't want mass immigration because the negative social and economic consequences fall on them.

Without immigration the care sector falls apart> This will affect the 'workers' more than the 'Business class' because a shortage of care workers, increases demand over supply, which will drive up the price of care, and the public sector will suffer.

This was the problem that split the Tories, the wealthy business faction of the party like Sunak wanted immigrants but he would never admit it, the working class tories wanted the opposite.

So it wasn't Brexit, nor the policy of wasting money on fool's errands and Rwanda, nor the lies of Partygate, nor the Truss economics, nor the failure to deal with the NHS, Teaching, Public sector workers (etc) wages demands, that split the Tories

Immigration was far higher under the tories than under labour.

You base your argument on two weeks worth of data?

 

[Trazor]

More than 100 people were arrested in central London on Wednesday evening as officers clashed with protesters on Whitehall, close to Downing Street, during a demonstration.

And all because there was false news going around, saying this lad was an illegal immigrant.

The Authorities need to tell the truth about these incidents, so the public know they are being dealt with correctly.

This deliberate obfuscation causes public mistrust and unrest.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

No they literally are.

The majority of violent crimes are perpetrated by a small number of persistent violent offenders, typically males, characterized by early onset of violent criminality,

Like arguing for the killing of people, the shooting on the beaches of asylum seekers, including the women and the children, or the pushing back the boats so the people drown, or the lynching mentality of some on here?

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

The signs are all there.
If this government doesn't get this issue sorted, there is going to be real problems.
Population growth in the UK has been driven by immigration, without it , the population would be in decline.
Under Tory boy Rishi Sunak , net migration from Africa and India went through the roof.

Why are the latest net migration figures not a reliable guide to future trends? - Migration Observatory

This report examines how different types of immigration contribute to net migration in the long term, and what levels of net migration the UK might expect in coming years.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

The signs are all there, Vinty is fomenting racial hatred and division, which he tries to disguise as a political argument.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And all because there was false news going around, saying this lad was an illegal immigrant.

The Authorities need to tell the truth about these incidents, so the public know they are being dealt with correctly.

This deliberate obfuscation causes public mistrust and unrest.

No.

All because a paid mouthpiece put out a comment without facts. A dog whistle!

The time and place for the information is in the courts.

None of this vigilante stuff is wanted or warranted.

It's horrendous, so are it's supporters. And that seems to include you!

 

[Odds]

And all because there was false news going around, saying this lad was an illegal immigrant.

The Authorities need to tell the truth about these incidents, so the public know they are being dealt with correctly.

This deliberate obfuscation causes public mistrust and unrest.

They cannot do so since the attacker is under 18. You sound like you've been listening to Farage...who coyld've raised a question in the HoC seeing as he's now the 'honourable' member for Clacton but chose instead to spout conspiracy rumours on F.Book.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Not sure what the police have done wrong in any of this and why they are the subject to the attacks of the mindless, easily led, right wing, thugs !

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Ok So-Dense

As if i hadn't already known these, hence my point, now admit to me you are a time waster and or just lacking comprehension.

1. Jack Unterweger​

Jack Unterweger was an Austrian serial killer who was convicted of murder in 1974 but was released on parole in 1990, after serving 15 years, having been deemed rehabilitated. After his release, Unterweger became a journalist and even reported on crime. However, he resumed killing, murdering at least 11 more women before being captured again. He was convicted in 1994 and subsequently committed suicide in prison.

2. Kenneth McDuff​

Kenneth McDuff was an American serial killer who was convicted of multiple murders in 1966 and sentenced to death. His sentence was commuted to life imprisonment after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the death penalty in 1972. McDuff was released on parole in 1989 due to prison overcrowding. After his release, he committed several more murders before being recaptured and sentenced to death. He was executed in 1998.

3. David Edward Maust​

David Maust was an American serial killer who had a long history of violent behavior, including a manslaughter conviction in the 1970s for killing a teenage boy. He was paroled in 1981 but went on to murder several more teenage boys in the 1990s and early 2000s. He was arrested again and convicted of multiple murders. Maust committed suicide in prison in 2006.

4. Peter Woodcock​

Peter Woodcock was a Canadian serial killer and child molester who, in 1957, was convicted of murdering three children and was confined to a psychiatric institution. After years of treatment, he was deemed sufficiently rehabilitated and was granted a temporary pass in 1991. During this pass, Woodcock murdered another patient. He was then returned to custody, where he remained until his death in 2010.

5. Norman Parker​

Norman Parker was a British criminal who was convicted of a gang-related murder in 1970 and sentenced to life imprisonment. He was paroled in the 1990s, after which he was involved in another murder. He was re-arrested and convicted again, serving additional time in prison.

Ok how about some more recent local ones.

1. Joseph McCann​

Joseph McCann is a British serial rapist and kidnapper who had been released on probation in 2017 despite multiple warnings about his dangerousness. He had previously been convicted of a string of burglaries and violent crimes. After his release, McCann went on a spree in April and May 2019, during which he committed multiple kidnappings, rapes, and assaults across England. His case highlighted significant failings in the probation system. While McCann was not initially convicted of murder, his crimes had a severe impact on numerous victims, and he was later sentenced to 33 life sentences.

2. Stephen Unwin and William McFall​

Stephen Unwin and William McFall are two men with previous convictions for murder who were released on license and subsequently committed another murder together. Both men had been convicted in separate cases of murder in the 1990s and were released on parole. In 2017, they murdered Quyen Ngoc Nguyen in a particularly brutal manner after luring her to Unwin's home in Sunderland. They were convicted in 2018 and sentenced to life imprisonment, with Unwin receiving a whole life order and McFall a minimum of 40 years.

3. Leroy Campbell​

Leroy Campbell had a history of sexual violence and was released from prison in 2017 after serving time for rape. Despite being deemed a high risk, he was released with conditions. In 2017, shortly after his release, Campbell broke into the home of Lisa Skidmore in Wolverhampton, raped, and murdered her. He then attempted to kill her elderly mother, who survived the attack. Campbell was convicted of Skidmore's murder in 2017 and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 33 years.

4. Sudesh Amman​

Sudesh Amman was released early from prison in January 2020 after serving part of his sentence for terrorism-related offenses. Despite being under police surveillance, Amman managed to carry out a knife attack in Streatham, South London, in February 2020, injuring two people before being shot dead by police. While his initial crimes were terrorism-related and not murder, the incident demonstrates a critical failure in managing the risks posed by released offenders.

5. Jason Marshall​

Jason Marshall had been convicted of a series of violent offenses and was released on license. In 2013, he killed Peter Fasoli in Ealing, London, during a robbery that he tried to cover up as an accident. Initially, Fasoli's death was deemed accidental, but the truth was uncovered later, leading to Marshall's arrest in 2017. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 39 years.

These cases underline the complexities and challenges faced by the UK criminal justice system in managing offenders who have previously been convicted of serious crimes and highlight the tragic consequences when those systems fail.

Ok how about these So-Dense

Here are some examples from the UK where individuals convicted of murder were released or escaped their sentences on technicalities, despite substantial evidence indicating their guilt, and then committed further murders:

1. Robert Thompson and Jon Venables​

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were convicted of the murder of James Bulger, a two-year-old boy, in 1993. At the time, they were only ten years old. They were released on license in 2001 after serving eight years in custody, under new identities. While there are no public records of them committing further murders, Jon Venables was later imprisoned for unrelated crimes, including possession of indecent images of children. The case remains controversial because of their relatively short sentences and subsequent criminal behavior, particularly in Venables' case.

2. David Bond​

David Bond was convicted of the manslaughter of his wife in 1994 after she died from a head injury. Bond was sentenced to five years in prison, a sentence many felt was lenient. After his release, Bond committed another violent act, attacking a woman with a hammer in 2004, although this did not result in murder. Bond's release and subsequent violent behavior raised questions about the adequacy of his initial sentencing and supervision upon release.

3. David Smith​

David Smith was initially convicted of murder in the UK but had his conviction overturned on appeal due to a technicality related to evidence admissibility. Despite the overwhelming evidence of his guilt in the initial case, Smith was released. After his release, he was later involved in another violent incident. This case underscores concerns about legal technicalities allowing potentially dangerous individuals to escape justice.

4. Tracie Andrews​

Tracie Andrews was convicted in 1997 of the murder of her fiancé, Lee Harvey, in a brutal road rage incident. She was sentenced to life imprisonment but served only 14 years before being released on license in 2011. Although Andrews did not commit another murder, her case was controversial because of the early release and the severity of the original crime.

5. Simon Hall​

Simon Hall was convicted of the murder of Joan Albert in 2001. However, in 2012, his conviction was quashed by the Court of Appeal due to doubts about forensic evidence. While Hall maintained his innocence, he later confessed to the murder after being released. The case illustrates the complex nature of appeals based on technicalities, where actual guilt may still be present despite legal exoneration.

Shall we omit the crimes that were not in the UK?
Jack Unterweger
Kenneth McDuff
David Edward Maust
Peter Woodcock

That leaves one name in your first list, Norman Parker, which you then mangled up the time line of his life history.
On release from prison in 1994, and achieving a degree while in prison, he never committed any further crimes.
Was the prison time the catalyst for his change of criminality, or his education?
I suspect it was his education.


I can't be bothered to go through your second list, having totally destroyed the credibility of your first list.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

The death penalty has been shown to be an effective way of preventing re offending by convicted murderers.

The appeals procedure has shown the death penalty to be an ineffective method of pardoning innocent victims.

You do talk some total rubbish.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

It is being invaded by Israelis.

As is the Golan Heights and the West Bank.
All against international law and UN resolutions.
But Israel is a rogue state and doesn't give a hoot for international law.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Has there been an official denial that he was on the MI6 watchlist?

It was reported, in the early days, that he was known to the authorities, but which authorities and why was not disclosed.
It could have been his mental health that caused the concern.
But we don't currently know the details.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

And all because there was false news going around, saying this lad was an illegal immigrant.

The Authorities need to tell the truth about these incidents, so the public know they are being dealt with correctly.

This deliberate obfuscation causes public mistrust and unrest.

The police cannot be seen to direct any investigation in any direction. Their duty is to investigate all the possible avenues.
Release of too mush or incomplete information might jeopardise the trial, and you wouldn't want a potential murderer to be released on a technicality, I suspect.

 

[Mottie]

It is being invaded by Israelis.

…because Palestinians foolishly invaded Israel, raping and murdering innocent Israeli’s before taking hostages or have you forgotten that?